Are other people conscious on a relative level?

[Actualizer777]

@Someone here How is it not true. The person literally asks if his mom has a similar experience as he has. And Leo says no. This to me does not sound like absolute solipsism but like saying that this one limited character's perspective is all there is.

[UnbornTao]

It is hearsay and nonsense. Who cares? Throw it away.

Start contemplating from scratch, that is, without presuming to know what anything is, which is the case for everyone.

Good luck.

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao You don't understand. I am throwing up because of this. I can't take it. I cannot follow this path like this.

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

And Leo says no

So ? Why do you believe Leo's words as gospel without you yourself deriving the answers for yourself?

The point is nobody fucking knows ..

You can only exist in direct experience to direct experience..   I'm not saying there cannot be anything outside of direct experience btw. All I'm saying for you to" verify " (prove 100%) something it must  be in direct experience.  If something isn't in your direct experience all you can do is give probabilities based on.. Well based on direct experience again lol.  So I don't have access to other people's minds nor will I ever be able to access them (at least in this lifetime) so that means I can't actually be sure whether you are real or just an extension of my mind (just like the others in your dream). 

[Actualizer777]

@ivankiss I just want to know that there are other viewpoints than this one right now as well. I am throwing up and crying. I cannot take it.

[Yimpa]

@Actualizer777 your profile pic reminds me of this vivid dream I had almost a year ago. The bull is my teacher, as I’m learning to process my fears to integrate a more holistic connection of myself.

Huh… I also didn’t realize (until now) that that dream also happened soon after April Fools’ Day. The more you know!

[Yimpa]

What @Princess Arabia said here also ties in well with what you’re going through:

 

[Actualizer777]

@Yimpa I still don't understand. This is so painful. I don't know how long I can take this. Is there any perspective but this limited one right now?

[Actualizer777]

@ivankiss But why do so many people here, including Leo, say the opposite. That other perspectives do not exist but mine does. And it is all there is.

[An young being]

11 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

@ivankiss I just want to know that there are other viewpoints than this one right now as well. I am throwing up and crying. I cannot take it.

Yes, there are, relatively.

[An young being]

1 minute ago, Actualizer777 said:

@ivankiss But why do so many people here, including Leo, say the opposite. That other perspectives do not exist but mine does. And it is all there is.

That's on absolute level.

[Actualizer777]

@An young being That is all I want to know right now. Not if in the absolute view they are all one and there is only me. Just from the relative, dream perspective.

[UnbornTao]

17 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

@UnbornTao You don't understand. I am throwing up because of this. I can't take it. I cannot follow this path like this.

It is a belief system that is precipitating such experiences. Notice you adopted such assertions at face value. And if negative things are being experienced, you deeply misunderstand and are not doing the real work.

Breathe, be honest and contemplate.

Edited December 14, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Actualizer777]

@An young being But it doesn't sound like that. Look at Leo's first response in this post:

User asks: So are other people also having an experience of life the way I am?

Leo says: No. You imagine that. Your consciousness is absolute.

And later on: You are typing a message to yourself because you are asleep and seeking to awaken.

As if Leo doesn't have a relative perspective the way I (Actualizer777) have one.

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao I know but when Leo claims "You are typing a message to yourself because you are asleep and seeking to awaken." I just want to kill myself. This does not sound like absolute solipsism. This sounds like relative solipsism. Not that I am not real and Leo is not real. It sounds like only I (Actualizer777) am real.

[Actualizer777]

@ivankiss But it's not even that. Leo in some threads claims that he doesn't have his own subjective experience. How does this make sense. Leo says he is an imagination of myself that I use to wake myself up. This sounds to me like Actualizer777 (me) is real and the only perspective there is.

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Actualizer777 said:

@UnbornTao I know but when Leo claims "You are typing a message to yourself because you are asleep and seeking to awaken." I just want to kill myself. This does not sound like absolute solipsism. This sounds like relative solipsism. Not that I am not real and Leo is not real. It sounds like only I (Actualizer777) am real.

It isn't true. Stop trying to figure things out. Ignore it and go about your work. 

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao I cannot ignore it. It eats me up. Maybe it is hard for you to relate but I am paralyzed because of this. Why is he denying his subjective experience telling me that only I have one?

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Actualizer777 said:

@UnbornTao I cannot ignore it. It eats me up. Maybe it is hard for you to relate but I am paralyzed because of this. Why is he denying his subjective experience telling me that only I have one?

You're coming at the matter too superficially, so don't worry. Relax and be honest. Everything's alright.

[Princess Arabia]

@Leo Guracan you please hurry up and clarify this stuff for this user before they have a heart attack. He's obviously mentally unstable if he's threatening to kill himself because of a lack of understanding. I'm not undermining your feelings because I'm very sensitive to suicidals, it's exactly the opposite why I'm urging for Leo to address this thread. Ugh.