Why My Hand Cannot Grasp Itself

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, I believe that could be, but if you become unlimited, what else can you understand?

Plenty

[Bazooka Jesus]

2 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

My hand cannot grasp itself because it is itself. To grasp is to assume a duality between what is grasped and the thing the grasps. The hand itself cannot grasp itself in the same way that you cannot bite your own teeth.

But here is the interesting paradox. If the hand cannot grasp itself, then how can God create/grasp itself?

EXACTLY!

The hand/god can never grasp itself... it can only be itself. The one million dollar question is: Is the hand / is God conscious of the fact that it is itself?

[vibv]

6 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

EXACTLY!

The hand/god can never grasp itself... it can only be itself. The one million dollar question is: Is the hand / is God conscious of the fact that it is itself?

Well, are you?

The experiental exploration is precisely infinite because that which God is can't ever be exhausted. It is so much NOTHING that it becomes absolutely EVERYTHING. But that doesn't mean that the exploration stops – in the contrary!

As soon as you sort of wake up to yourself – that's when it begins to get really interesting. For we are now lucid. And God's creativity is infinite.

Edited September 29, 2023 by vibv

[BuddhistLover]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Is that what you kids call jerking off these days?

@Leo Gura Definitely a lot of new theories coming up for real man. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by BuddhistLover

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Plenty

Could be. I guess it requires being able to be in the infinite state longer, not just moments. It's a matter of pressure. There is still too much pressure to get out of that state, any slightest distortion, desire to understand, causes the limitation to return. but I think it's possible.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Bazooka Jesus]

3 minutes ago, vibv said:

Well, are you?

Wrong question, brother. Being God and being you have nothing to do with each other.

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, vibv said:

As soon as you sort of wake up to yourself – that's when it begins to get really interesting. For we are now lucid. And God's creativity is infinite.

My realization is that this is now the infinite and I am infinite, it is everything, it is total freedom and the content does not matter exactly the same, there is nothing to understand because it is irrelevant, the infinite is everything, you open yourself to it, you are. That's it, there is nothing more, there cannot be

[Bazooka Jesus]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me you are right. if you want to open yourself to the absolute, you must leave understanding behind. The mind that wants to understand is the obstacle, the door. You can't open the door with the door, you have to remove it. Open yourself now to the reality that you are. open your heart, leave greed and merge with yourself, be in all your wonderful breadth without limit, in the total diaphanousness of infinity. Let yourself fall into the void, now. It is not understanding, it is action. action of opening . then your smile is total, without a slightest stain of doubt: this is it.  the total amplitude. Hallelujah.

See? I knew we'd eventually agree on something!

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[vibv]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

My realization is that this is now the infinite and I am infinite, it is everything, it is total freedom and the content does not matter exactly the same, there is nothing to understand because it is irrelevant, the infinite is everything, you open yourself to it, you are. That's it, there is nothing more, there cannot be

There’s infinitely more.

[vibv]

25 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Wrong question, brother. Being God and being you have nothing to do with each other.

God is being you.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

See? I knew we'd eventually agree on something!

 

Great, because in the other thread I told you that you deserve to be dragged among the cacti before being buried alive ?

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, vibv said:

There’s infinitely more.

Ah, more than infinity. How? 

[vibv]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Ah, more than infinity. How? 

No, Infinity itself.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, vibv said:

No, Infinity itself.

Infinity is infinity, Its content is irrelevant due to the fact that it is infinite. There are infinite things in it, so it doesn't matter to you if you know one or a hundred thousand, they are nothing, the only thing you have to realize is the infinity, that's all. there's no more. game over.

[vibv]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Infinity is infinity, Its content is irrelevant due to the fact that it is infinite. There are infinite things in it, so it doesn't matter to you if you know one or a hundred thousand, they are nothing, the only thing you have to realize is the infinity, that's all. there's no more. game over.

Completely wrong. That would be a pretty terrible infinity.

[Osaid]

You guys are just stuck in mind. Human finite mind. That's what it does, it chases understanding infinitely. It can imagine and question itself infinitely. That's how questions and imagination work. First you try to understand yourself through science and materialism. Now you move to understanding awakening experiences. And you think doing the latter is somehow more true and spiritual. It's just a relative infinite regress through a different paradigm.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Osaid

[Bazooka Jesus]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Great, because in the other thread I told you that you deserve to be dragged among the cacti before being buried alive ?

Guess I had it coming, lol!

[vibv]

18 minutes ago, Osaid said:

You guys are just stuck in mind. Human finite mind. That's what it does, it chases understanding infinitely. It can imagine and question itself infinitely. That's how questions and imagination work. First you try to understand yourself through science and materialism. Now you move to understanding awakening experiences. And you think doing the latter is somehow more true and spiritual. It's just a relative infinite regress through a different paradigm.

Infinity will never be exhausted, simple as that. It can’t be. It’s actually pretty obvious.

[Staples]

7 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Who says that? Break the bones in your hand and it will grab itself. 

Contemplate why you cannot pour a cup into itself instead.

[r0ckyreed]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Understanding is beyond conceptual.

That’s the part I obviously don’t understand. 

I feel like knowledge and recognition are definitely conceptual and so is understanding. By conceptual, I mean anything the mind is trying to make sense of.

Me thinking about all of this is conceptual. Any insight I get from this form, I also see as conceptual, as it all relates to the mind. I don’t see anything Absolute about understanding but that it is relative to the entity trying to understand.

Understanding I feel like is relative to one’s state of consciousness and depends on mental processes to function. For instance, without attention, awareness, and thoug/ideas/concepts, I don’t see how you could understand something.

In fact, all that we are talking about and an understanding points to some concept that we are grasping and making actual. It’s hard to separate understanding from conceptualization. 

I feel like understanding has a lot to do with language as well. Without conceptualization, there is no understanding other languages, and without understanding other languages, there could be no science, no math, no history, no philosophy, and no awakening?