Joe Rogan vs. Johnny Harris vs Hasanabi

[Philipp]

 

I am curious if anyone saw this video. 

I found it interesting how there are 3 different perspectives in this video, instead of the usual 2. 

Also I am not fully sure who I agree with. Of course not with joe rogan.

I am not sure if Johnny Harris presents a genuine stage yellow perspective, in seeing some value in Joe rogan and not hating people you disagree with. 

Hasanabi is also convincing in his opinion that you should not be that lenient with individuals like joe rogan. 

 

Curious if anyone has sawn it (or wants to see it) and has an opinion.

[Leo Gura]

Hasan's take on Rogan is bad.

Leftists are too biased to have an accurate view of Rogan.

With that said, Rogan's political judgment is pretty lame.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura yeah i get very disappointed when i listen to someone like hasanabi he's too unconscious self deceived and doesn't take epistemology seriously. 

[Raze]

The reason why I just can’t take the whinging about how alternate media “platforms misinformation” and “needs fact checkers” is the mainstream outlets and fact checkers are often wrong themselves in even more damaging ways. CNN and MSNBC pushed the Trump Russia collusion narrative for years and every bit of evidence fell apart. Polling data finds liberals were much less likely to accurately know the death rate of COVID-19 because the media misrepresented it so much. Even in this video Johnny puts in a clip of Ben Shapiro saying 80 percent of kids grow out of gender dysphoria as an example of false information being spread on Joe Rogan. It’s not, that figure has been confirmed in multiple studies. Johnny and his audience don’t know this because again, they only watch mainstream “reliable” sources which continue to push false information on gender dysphoria.
I remember multiple mainstream outlets like CNN and fact checker sites saying Elliott Rodger and Roosh V were MRA’s, yet it wasn’t true, they were not, and those “trust worthy” outlets never corrected and never apologized. This is just one example among many. I really don’t see what gives them the right to decide who gets to be platformed or not.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Raze

[Jacob Morres]

@Majed how? Genuinely curious 

I watch a lot of Hasan and am curious what he gets wrong 

I'm def noticing that a lot of opinions (on both sides) are more ideological than conscious opinions. It's like people just go as far as their cultures groupthink and that's about it 

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Jacob Morres

[Tanz]

@Jacob Morres The major issue with the left was back in the day when the republicans had power, they were easy to hate and people like Joe went against them.  
Now that the right doesn't have as much power the left is more corrupt so naturally Joe will speak against their corruption.  To Joe's credit he was appalled at Trump when he separated families from each other.  Trumos people also have asked him to go on his podcast but he doesn't want to give Trump an additional platform because he understands Trump is exploiting people's emotions so he can further his agenda.  

Left wing media people like Hassan do not look at things deeper and understand that the problems that exist happen from the Ego.  If you listen to people like Gabor Mate, he condemns the sin rather than the sinner because he is much more evolved than any of these left wing alternative media commentators.  

In fact almost all political commentators are just blowing gas, they do very little for society and over inflate their importance.  

As long as people do not awaken, they will continue to bring in people that half of the country hates in order to keep people fighting with each other.  

Joe Rogan just has  his views on things and is largely a political but people like Hassan like to label him as "right wing" because he may share some views that people on the right tend to have.  

I have a sister that is a major left wing nut but she makes a lot of money and set up a company in delaware where she doesn't even live to evade taxes, she also despises universal healthcare.  Economically she very right leaning but socially shes extreme left wing.  

It's not really fair to label people because most people are a mix of everything.  

Edited September 2, 2023 by Tanz

[Danioover9000]

@Philipp

On 2023-08-31 at 7:56 PM, Philipp said:

 

I am curious if anyone saw this video. 

I found it interesting how there are 3 different perspectives in this video, instead of the usual 2. 

Also I am not fully sure who I agree with. Of course not with joe rogan.

I am not sure if Johnny Harris presents a genuine stage yellow perspective, in seeing some value in Joe rogan and not hating people you disagree with. 

Hasanabi is also convincing in his opinion that you should not be that lenient with individuals like joe rogan. 

 

Curious if anyone has sawn it (or wants to see it) and has an opinion.

   IMO, Hasan's actually stage orange/green, green mostly when virtue signaling to his audience, but in practice more stage orange as he loves his muscles and money, and that mansion of a house he has, so Hasan isn't a perfect stage green, otherwise you'd see him be more new age and hippie like, more spiritual and actually value humanism, environmentalism, animal welfare, and so on.

   Johnny Harris seems like he's presenting a genuine stage yellow perspective, but it's hard to discern as stage orange to orange/green values, with solid logic and rationality, may seem stage yellow, but it may not be. Maybe this is Johnny's style of interviewing and presenting? I'll have to check out more his content to see if it's stage yellow, I'm expecting more a systems thinker, and tier 2-3 cognition, and giving a systemic view on issues, that sort of level.

   To be fair to Joe Rogan, he's a good commentator and interviewer and a comedian, albeit IMO not a fighter as he sucks, just when it comes to government and politics he sucks and can spread misinformation that is similar to his ideology.

[Hatfort]

On 2/9/2023 at 2:07 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Philipp

   IMO, Hasan's actually stage orange/green, green mostly when virtue signaling to his audience, but in practice more stage orange as he loves his muscles and money, and that mansion of a house he has, so Hasan isn't a perfect stage green, otherwise you'd see him be more new age and hippie like, more spiritual and actually value humanism, environmentalism, animal welfare, and so on.

   Johnny Harris seems like he's presenting a genuine stage yellow perspective, but it's hard to discern as stage orange to orange/green values, with solid logic and rationality, may seem stage yellow, but it may not be. Maybe this is Johnny's style of interviewing and presenting? I'll have to check out more his content to see if it's stage yellow, I'm expecting more a systems thinker, and tier 2-3 cognition, and giving a systemic view on issues, that sort of level.

   To be fair to Joe Rogan, he's a good commentator and interviewer and a comedian, albeit IMO not a fighter as he sucks, just when it comes to government and politics he sucks and can spread misinformation that is similar to his ideology.

Hasan is mostly green, his political views clearly show that. Beyond orange individualism, he has also a sense of community and general well-being that can be highly improved by different policies. Leftist ones, yes.

Green can and should integrate healthy orange, as is the step above, but it does denounce unequivocally the unhealthy one, the one that puts profits above any other considerations and causes so much harm. So much harm for a lot in exchange for the unnecessary luxury of just a few. That's not fine.

Hasan is successful in his career and he is making money, but sticks to some ethics. For example, he has an expensive house, but uses it for living, I'm fine with that. With his income and wealth, he could easily get into the unhealthy real estate business and rent homes to people with less money than him to profit from their work with zero effort. He doesn't say that the solution for homelessness is to bring a homeless person to your home, the ones that say that, I don't know what they are waiting for to do so, please do, we'll all applaud the kindness. He says it's something that can be addressed by public policies like social housing and others, which I agree.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Hatfort

10 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Hasan is mostly green, his political views clearly show that. Beyond orange individualism, he has also a sense of community and general well-being that can be highly improved by different policies. Leftist ones, yes.

Green can and should integrate healthy orange, as is the step above, but it does denounce unequivocally the unhealthy one, the one that puts profits above any other considerations and causes so much harm. So much harm for a lot in exchange for the unnecessary luxury of just a few. That's not fine.

Hasan is successful in his career and he is making money, but sticks to some ethics. For example, he has an expensive house, but uses it for living, I'm fine with that. With his income and wealth, he could easily get into the unhealthy real estate business and rent homes to people with less money than him to profit from their work with zero effort. He doesn't say that the solution for homelessness is to bring a homeless person to your home, the ones that say that, I don't know what they are waiting for to do so, please do, we'll all applaud the kindness. He says it's something that can be addressed by public policies like social housing and others, which I agree.

 

   Stage green should learn and study capitalism, and tone down their empathy a bit.

[Hatfort]

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hatfort

   Stage green should learn and study capitalism, and tone down their empathy a bit.

Stage green can detect the flaws of capitalism and also propose good improvements and alternatives. What they sometimes fail to see is that those changes can take time and also fail in strategy. Also, there's a powerful economic and media apparatus working against them.

Empathy is fine, you put yourself in the place of others. This provides a lot of good answers.

[Danioover9000]

@Hatfort

34 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Stage green can detect the flaws of capitalism and also propose good improvements and alternatives. What they sometimes fail to see is that those changes can take time and also fail in strategy. Also, there's a powerful economic and media apparatus working against them.

Empathy is fine, you put yourself in the place of others. This provides a lot of good answers.

   Sometimes too much empathy can give you a psychosis and mental breakdown though. Remember Nietzsche? That epic mustache philosopher? He got a psychotic breakdown because he had high empathy for a horse that had a little whipping.

   Stage green can detect the flaws of excess stage orange, which doesn't quite map across to the flaws of capitalism in general, just when it's working too well and too much in specific areas and circumstances. Those good movements and alternatives hinges on a good understanding of stage green and stage orange strengths and weaknesses, and if each stage isn't cognitively aware of the other, mistakes might be created.

   Also, Penicillin isn't thanks to science at the time, it's capitalism:

 

[Hatfort]

Nietzsche had medical and mental problems, that episode with his horse doesn't disprove the validity of empathy. Please, be reasonable, you know I mean to put in the place of others but in a reasonable manner.

Capitalism didn't put men on the Moon, it was socialism. The state through taxpayer money and good management, it wasn't a private endeavor. That notion that capitalism is the only thing that brings progress is very flawed and doesn't stick to history at all. Pure capitalism has never existed, it would fail. For individual greatness to thrive, it's much better a good public social safe base in fact.

I prefer this video:

 

[Danioover9000]

@Hatfort I can see that there needs to be both capitalism and socialism. Pure socialism and pure capitalism are overall harmful to everyone, there needs to be a mix.

   I'll drop the subject though as I refuse to argue, as capitalism and socialism is triggering like science versus religion, sex and politics.