Struggles post God-realization/Solipsism

[Devin]

@puporing

What helps me is taking time away from the world, I don't do a prescribed type of meditation but I consider it a type of meditation. It's just relaxing away from society and processing things if I need to, with no set allotted time, just eventually I feel like getting back to people for curiosity, fun, and love. I don't like the idea of trying to relate, to me I prefer it more as exploring the person/relationship.

Goals; it's about curiosity, fun, and love for me rather than being rooted in fear like they used to be

For me acting doesn't work out, what does is having fun, curiosity, love, and appreciating beauty.

The only times I have trouble are when I follow my ego and I then feel like I'm not being productive😂. But it's easy for me to come back from that quickly, knowing that nothing anyone is doing in the world is productive😆, and that letting life take you places is what has been the most fun for me, just going with it, not trying to do what society tells you you should, that's all lies

It's all just for fun

Edited August 8, 2022 by Devin

[puporing]

@Devin Thank you I appreciate your input. Been pretty isolated from most of society now and only connecting loosely with most people. And you're right even if I interact with someone, it's not from the ego anymore but from a metaphysical perspective (almost always these days there's that awareness..if not "after the fact").

Acting is not as required around non-human stuff or when you're not directly talking to someone, and you're free to zoom in on any aspects of consciousness.

Acting is required around most people as you lose the ego and realize God, especially if you don't just "forget" it , so the alternative is to trick yourself temporarily. Otherwise you have to pretend that there's separation (even with another awakened being out of respect of their sovereignty and creating a path for connection), and the life stories/worldviews people tell you/want you to adopt with them etc, basically how someone shows up/decide to live their life and how they interact with another is all influenced by these. There's of course degrees.. some you act less than others around, some are more comfortable with you being a "weirdo" than others.

It is a loving gesture to act at least to some extent - accepting & meeting someone where they're at and allowing their own evolution to unfold the way it naturally occurs as much as you can is showing love (and at times showing the truth is love also). And in that way, the "acting" transforms into the real, because the love (through the togetherness however brief the interaction) is real and you're aligning with the love.

The thing is just to limit interactions to what you can handle (as in not make you feel like living in falsehood). The challenge is with close and long-term relations, where many will try to make you like themselves, adopt their beliefs and worldviews, few can respect that there may exist people who think very differently from their own worldviews.. many will start to demonize you for not adopting their perspectives. Well...that can be a problem even without any awakening .People are usually not so good at respecting another's sovereignty...least that's been my experience. On the flip side, the ones who do I am that much more drawn towards..

Edited August 9, 2022 by puporing

[Devin]

12 hours ago, puporing said:

@Devin Thank you I appreciate your input. Been pretty isolated from most of society now and only connecting loosely with most people. And you're right even if I interact with someone, it's not from the ego anymore but from a metaphysical perspective (almost always these days there's that awareness..if not "after the fact").

Acting is not as required around non-human stuff or when you're not directly talking to someone, and you're free to zoom in on any aspects of consciousness.

Acting is required around most people as you lose the ego and realize God, especially if you don't just "forget" it , so the alternative is to trick yourself temporarily. Otherwise you have to pretend that there's separation (even with another awakened being out of respect of their sovereignty and creating a path for connection), and the life stories/worldviews people tell you/want you to adopt with them etc, basically how someone shows up/decide to live their life and how they interact with another is all influenced by these. There's of course degrees.. some you act less than others around, some are more comfortable with you being a "weirdo" than others.

It is a loving gesture to act at least to some extent - accepting & meeting someone where they're at and allowing their own evolution to unfold the way it naturally occurs as much as you can is showing love (and at times showing the truth is love also). And in that way, the "acting" transforms into the real, because the love (through the togetherness however brief the interaction) is real and you're aligning with the love.

The thing is just to limit interactions to what you can handle (as in not make you feel like living in falsehood). The challenge is with close and long-term relations, where many will try to make you like themselves, adopt their beliefs and worldviews, few can respect that there may exist people who think very differently from their own worldviews.. many will start to demonize you for not adopting their perspectives. Well...that can be a problem even without any awakening .People are usually not so good at respecting another's sovereignty...least that's been my experience. On the flip side, the ones who do I am that much more drawn towards..

I don't see why you have to pretend there's separation, to me it's like reading or watching a story, it's a fun adventure, I don't pretend when reading and I still like to

Edited August 9, 2022 by Devin

[Sincerity]

@puporing I hope you are doing okay. I don't really know you, but I'll tell you I think your consciousness and strength to deal with difficulty is admirable. 

I can't say I relate or understand fully because I'm certainly not as awake + I've almost completely fallen back into the dream. But I wanna say I think you're doing great  And good luck.

[puporing]

3 hours ago, Devin said:

I don't see why you have to pretend there's separation, to me it's like reading or watching a story, it's a fun adventure, I don't pretend when reading and I still like to

Yeah I get that perspective. For me I just haven't gravitated towards any sort of fiction/shows for some time (the last two years at least..), I have been absorbed in spirituality quite totally, any books I read or teachings I have been absorbed in are towards more and more truth. Even work wise I had to step out of working for others partially because I could not get wrapped up in the "fiction", especially since most places do not care for creating a good "story". Even if I was to be absorbed in some story it would be related to truth and love, high consciousness, which currently is lacking in our environment.. the story of mankind right now for the most part is one of enslavement/control of one another. Yes there are sprinkles of love and inspiration, conditional kinds of love spread out, but really it's so not even close to the potential. I still experience racism and sexism on a regular basis for instance. Maybe that helps to understand why I chose to get "out of the story" . 

Edited August 9, 2022 by puporing

[Razard86]

3 minutes ago, puporing said:

I still experience racism and sexism on a regular basis for instance. Maybe that helps to understand why I chose to get "out of the story" . 

Canada is supposed to be one of the more progressive countries, if that is happening then wow... that leaves me speechless. 

[puporing]

2 hours ago, Sincerity said:

@puporing I hope you are doing okay. I don't really know you, but I'll tell you I think your consciousness and strength to deal with difficulty is admirable. 

I can't say I relate or understand fully because I'm certainly not as awake + I've almost completely fallen back into the dream. But I wanna say I think you're doing great  And good luck.

Thank you for the encouragement, @Sincerity. Definitely a choice, to go back to the dream or stay this way , or somewhere in between works too. 

[puporing]

2 hours ago, JoeVolcano said:

Funnily enough, nowhere is that near as much of a problem as with awakening. The differences between any two unawake people are comparatively minor. You don't really get to see just how hostile people are to escapees of the monkey reservation, until you escape (as I'm sure you know).

Even the otherwise most friendly, benign, respectable people, are generally only friendly, benign and respectable within their little box. That is, unless they are reasonably awake, but then they're not in a little box.

My approach in real life these days is generally to present minimal aspect, keep them happy and off your back, and don't try to haggle. Imo you can't really maintain this 24/7, and probably a whole lot less.

Edit: See also:

https://www.wisefoolpress.com/free/waterline-2/

 

Yeah people do try to get you "back in line" unfortunately.. they really want to be validated that the way they're living is the "best way". A few of the "friendships" I briefly had ended that way because I didn't buy into the "achiever mindset". One of the biggest differences I'm sure you could relate is I don't take "human goals" so seriously like most do a "life and death" kind of a deal (but more play and being in the moment and responding to what arises).  

[puporing]

12 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Canada is supposed to be one of the more progressive countries, if that is happening then wow... that leaves me speechless. 

It definitely helps that the language used by the leaders are progressive and protective of minorities and women. But the collective consciousness is not all at that level and there's a wide range.

Edited August 9, 2022 by puporing

[Devin]

4 hours ago, puporing said:

Yeah I get that perspective. For me I just haven't gravitated towards any sort of fiction/shows for some time (the last two years at least..), I have been absorbed in spirituality quite totally, any books I read or teachings I have been absorbed in are towards more and more truth. Even work wise I had to step out of working for others partially because I could not get wrapped up in the "fiction", especially since most places do not care for creating a good "story". Even if I was to be absorbed in some story it would be related to truth and love, high consciousness, which currently is lacking in our environment.. the story of mankind right now for the most part is one of enslavement/control of one another. Yes there are sprinkles of love and inspiration, conditional kinds of love spread out, but really it's so not even close to the potential. I still experience racism and sexism on a regular basis for instance. Maybe that helps to understand why I chose to get "out of the story" . 

Yeah, from a worldly perspective that stuff sucks, but "suffering" from/with those things is an adventure/experience a different spice of life to taste.

We don't actually make progress on the world scale for raising consciousness, like growing a corporation. The only way you raise consciousness is just by being conscious, there's nothing to do beyond that.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Devin

[puporing]

2 hours ago, Devin said:

Yeah, from a worldly perspective that stuff sucks, but "suffering" from/with those things is an adventure/experience a different spice of life to taste.

Sure but I'm not gonna be actively seeking it out at this point, challenges yes, but what's the point of being in toxic environments your whole life? I've had enough of that, maybe your cup's not filled yet . 

3 hours ago, Devin said:

We don't actually make progress on the world scale for raising consciousness, like growing a corporation. The only way you raise consciousness is just by being conscious, there's nothing to do beyond that.

"Being" and "doing" are of the same coin. 

[puporing]

8 hours ago, JoeVolcano said:

This is why I recently quit my job in a yellow/green non-profit social enterprise, run by my elder brother. He is SD Yellow and very much invested in his cause,  and I think it's great stuff, but I just have no capacity to be invested in it.

Which in turn meant that I had little motivation to put up with all kinds of other things that ended up on my plate for no good reason, and all the confrontations with staff and 3rd parties that came out of it, which was mostly SD Green stuff. Good people all around, relatively speaking, but nonetheless it was generally unsustainable environment for me, so I had to go. At least we agreed on that part. 

Fortunately with my brother being Yellow, we didn't have a fight or anything. He understands and accepts (begrudgingly) that we see things differently. He just doesn't really understand why I see things the way I do.  🤷‍♂️ 

Yea I think I know.. it's not about "good or bad", just, different way of being, like if your default is a quiet mind, and you've transcended the need for language as the main way of communication, among other things like need for stimulation, buying into a collective story, etc, then yeah it's going to require "acting" on your part to be part of a group dynamic.

Edited August 10, 2022 by puporing

[Devin]

36 minutes ago, puporing said:

Sure but I'm not gonna be actively seeking it out at this point, challenges yes, but what's the point of being in toxic environments your whole life? I've had enough of that, maybe your cup's not filled yet . 

Ahhhh, Yeah I need breaks for sure, just sounded like a more permanent statement from you.

36 minutes ago, puporing said:

"Being" and "doing" are of the same coin. 

I mean we don't need to do some specific tasks, it's just whatever we do conscious

[puporing]

3 hours ago, Devin said:

just sounded like a more permanent statement from you.

Idk where life's gonna take me... it's always evolving. It's possible I'll be more "out there" one day, maybe to "transmit"/share something . 

I can appreciate the "prodding". 

Edited August 10, 2022 by puporing

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Talking about Infinite Reality with the finite tool of the mind, which is rarely able to see the tiny piece of Reality it experiences as it is, is an aberration, has no consequences, and can only be considered a fun activity. And that's ok

[Breakingthewall]

@JoeVolcano i wasn't referring to you personally at all, but to people who have punctual awakenings and implement them in their ego, and i erase it because it didn't make sense, everyone does what they can. but one thing is obvious: the awakening is now. memorized past awakenings are what give rise to the division between awake and not awake, me and the normies, etc. if we're not realizing god right now, better not think about it. or think about what to do, or not do, to realize now. and if we are realizing it now, in some extent, you will be happy and everything will be as it should be. conceptualize, put labels, talk to your friends about spirituality... oversized ego.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@JoeVolcano of course, As I said, everyone does what they can, the only way is to follow their own intuition. I don't disapprove of your attitude at all, on the contrary, I think you are a free-minded guy who does not bow to the ideas of others.

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, JoeVolcano said:

 

Then you'll agree with this.

 

It depends. if you highlight your ideas in opposition to theirs, yes. if you act consistently, go about your business, are happy and honest, and do not seek to prove that you are better than anyone, they usually do not have any problems. unless they're saudi fundamentalists or something

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, JoeVolcano said:

you keep smiling and don't get into a serious discussion with them

If you need to show them anything, you should ask yourself why do you need that.