Now that Leo's got the message, will he hang up the phone?

[A_v_E]

42 minutes ago, Jahmaine said:

 

What makes understanding and love not imaginary? 

in all truth, nothing.
 but nothing is "love" and "imaginary" itself is "imagined"

[ZzzleepingBear]

Ok bye, I call you soon!

You can hang up the phone now

No you hang up first!

No you hang up!

No, I want you to hang up first

...

Hello?

Are you stil there?

Yes I'm here

But I told you to hang up!

No I hang up when you hang up!

OMG just hang up the phone!

[puporing]

5 minutes ago, ZzzleepingBear said:

Ok bye, I call you soon!

You can hang up the phone now

No you hang up first!

No you hang up!

No, I want you to hang up first

...

Hello?

Are you stil there?

Yes I'm here

But I told you to hang up!

No I hang up when you hang up!

OMG just hang up the phone!

Ahahaha this is gold. ?

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, Frosty97 said:

 

@Leo Gura What should I do if I'm a bit mentally unstable?

Find ways to ground yourself.

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And should mentally unstable people not do Kriya Yoga or meditate as well?

I'm not sure. This depends on many factors. I don't know your exact mental condition and how well it can handle spiritual revelations. You'd have to test the waters.

9 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

This I assume is because when you have pure understanding you have truth, and when you have truth you have love. With deeper understanding, you can fall deeper in love with the intelligent design of reality. 

Because at the end of the day all you want is love anyways.

Would you agree?

To me it's much more simple. Understanding is simply what I care about most. The rest is relatively uninteresting to me.

This is my bias.

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I believe pure understanding is what creates the most happiness and fulfilment in your everyday baseline level of consciousness. 

I don't even know if that's true in practice. Probably not.

8 hours ago, Jahmaine said:

Yeah I hear what you saying, I was more referencing yourself saying that you already get it, in one of your recent videos, and that there's nothing else to learn, so in that context I was curious about what your approach next would be - if you have learned all this is to, then looking again would be just for entertainment surely?

What you guys seem to overlook in every awakening video of mine is the part where I tell you that I'm always looking to go deeper and discover more and have even deeper awakenings. I never, ever claimed to be "done". That would be a very arrogant position, to claim there is nothing more to learn. I am learning every week and having even fuller and deeper and other types of awakenings and insights.

This desire to "be done" strikes me as very premature and silly. I am here to explore consciousness until my body drops dead. What else is there to do? You got some more worthwhile pursuit?

It's like I am exploring outer space and you keep asking, "Are you done yet?" I will never be done exploring it because the exploration is the point. I'm not exploring as some chore to reach some end.

What if you enjoy the phone call? Why hang up the phone? To do what? Drink?

[ZzzleepingBear]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

Ahahaha this is gold. ?

That's just how it is sometimes^^

[puporing]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What else is there to do? You got some more worthwhile pursuit?

It's like I am exploring outer space and you keep asking, "Are you done yet?" I will never be done exploring it because the exploration is the point. I'm not exploring as some chore to reach some end.

What if you enjoy the phone call? Why hang up the phone? To do what? Drink?

That hits home, seems like the more you awaken the more "what else is there to do" applies. 

[Gesundheit2]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What you guys seem to overlook in every awakening video of mine is the part where I tell you that I'm always looking to go deeper and discover more and have even deeper awakenings. I never, ever claimed to be "done". That would be a very arrogant position, to claim there is nothing more to learn. I am learning every week and having even fuller and deeper and other types of awakenings and insights.

This desire to "be done" strikes me as very premature and silly. I am here to explore consciousness until my body drops dead. What else is there to do? You got some more worthwhile pursuit?

It's like I am exploring outer space and you keep asking, "Are you done yet?" I will never be done exploring it because the exploration is the point. I'm not exploring as some chore to reach some end.

What if you enjoy the phone call? Why hang up the phone? To do what? Drink?

When I asked if spiritual truth-seeking is entertainment to you, you said not. But how is this different? You don't have anything better to do, so you choose to spend your time on the thing you like the most. Nothing wrong with entertainment per se. But let's call an apple an apple. You are a creative person, and your creation is wisdom and insight. Similar to music, but not quite the same.

[puporing]

4 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

When I asked if spiritual truth-seeking is entertainment to you, you said not. But how is this different? You don't have anything better to do, so you choose to spend your time on the thing you like the most. Nothing wrong with entertainment per se. But let's call an apple an apple. You are a creative person, and your creation is wisdom and insight. Similar to music, but not quite the same.

I think it all becomes a "play" after a certain point. 

[Gesundheit2]

Just now, puporing said:

I think it all becomes a "play" after a certain point. 

I think so. Then again, I think this distinction is very important. Not all people are looking for entertainment. Some people are just trying to "end the call" and go back to their ordinary life ASAP, so Advaita (Vedanta) might be their drug of choice. I think this should be made more clear so that people know what they're getting themselves into beforehand.

[puporing]

2 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

I think so. Then again, I think this distinction is very important. Not all people are looking for entertainment. Some people are just trying to "end the call" and go back to their ordinary life ASAP, so Advaita (Vedanta) might be their drug of choice. I think this should be made more clear so that people know what they're getting themselves into beforehand.

Yeah that's a good point. It's a bit hard on this forum (a public site) to control that, I think he did basically discourage people to come here if they don't want to go further than the buddhist/Advaita teachings. I don't know what else could be done to deter people who aren't ready to go all the way.

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

When I asked if spiritual truth-seeking is entertainment to you, you said not.

To call it entertainment is insulting to the process.

[Gesundheit2]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

To call it entertainment is insulting to the process.

I apologize if it sounded like that, I honestly don't mean it that way. Like I said, I am at a point where I'm mostly concerned with utility, so my bias may be coloring my perception, and I sincerely don't mean any offense.

Though, I get your point. There's a lot of effort and hard-work involved in the process of generating insights, and sometimes it can be very serious and life-threatening even.

But still, I mean, I can think of a few things that clearly are entertainment and a few thing that clearly aren't.

For example, music is clearly entertainment, same as porn, WWE, sports, art, etc. even though there's obviously a ton amount of effort and hard-work required to make them happen.

On the other hand, things that are clearly not entertainment are things like firefighting, medicine, the military, giving birth, religion and traditional spirituality, etc.

So the distinction exists, and I think we can both agree on that. I'm not sure what exactly makes that distinction, though. Maybe that's worthy of some contemplation. Maybe things that have clear and defined goals that are not open-ended are considered more serious and less entertaining.

Though, obviously our relationship to the things we practice can differ. For example, a firefighter might become so in alignment with their job that it eventually becomes entertainment for them, even though that's not the general case.

As well, music and other more entertainment-like jobs can become tedious and tiring if one is unable to learn how to enjoy the process of creation, even though that's not the general case.

The way I see it is that traditional spirituality is generally considered an anti-dote to suffering as a main function of the whole thing. While Actualized.org seems to have surpassed that and transcended it to another level, we might say innovation. I don't think many people have reached this far, given the general cultural status of both religion and spirituality.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Gesundheit2

[puporing]

@Gesundheit2 Calling what is divinity “entertainment” is just not very fitting by definition . Also music can be divine as fuck. 

[Gesundheit2]

16 minutes ago, puporing said:

@Gesundheit2 Calling what is divinity “entertainment” is just not very fitting by definition . Also music can be divine as fuck. 

The thing is that there is a divine component to everything, as well as a mundane component. Some might say the divine is the mundane and the mundane is the divine, and I don't disagree with that. So it's not that spirituality and music are divine by nature, even though paradoxically, they are. But the same applies to everything else, so it's important to keep that in mind.

[bambi]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

To call it entertainment is insulting to the process.

Insulting and process are both imaginary