Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?

[Reciprocality]

@Someone here Wait, you want to burn churches so that they can build them up again? I am no logician, but that is the conclusion of your premises above.

[Someone here]

My point was quite simple. If you insist that Muslims do not twist the words of the Quran, yet also admit that there are different interpretations by Muslims, then some may view the words as being "twisted" and some not.

The Muslims discussing headscarfs on TV were using direct quotes from the Quran and openly disagreeing with translations/interpretations. I know enough about language to know it is not static, although the written word has remained the same for a logn period of time in the Islamic world, actual spoken language everywhere does change. Langauge is alive and I have seen this in biblical texts too. My fav example is "apolocalypse", because the true meaning is not what most people expect it to be.

How open child rape in the Catholic church in the west and across the globe? How about nuns teaching Africans they won't catch HIV if they believe in god and are pure of heart? The IRA bombings targetted innocent citizens and blasts were set up to have people run from one explosion into another ... and they didn't scream in the name of Jesus or Allah, yet they still did it because the hatred was there and they felt justified in some way. If we look at all the instances of "evil" we see a pattern of human psychology that propogates these things. Islam as much as Christianity could be argued to both fan or douse the flames. Some people will see it more one eay than the other, but none can seriously conclude and say one is worst than the other where some instances are peaceful and others violent.

[Reciprocality]

@Someone here I'm sorry but when I read your comment I see pure information, I don't know what to do with it. 

"If you insist that Muslims do not twist the words of the Quran, yet also admit that there are different interpretations by Muslims, then some may view the words as being "twisted" and some not."

What I believe this means, or more so what I believe this to mean is

'The information of their holy book can be interpreted in various ways, and some are also twisting the information willingly.

And that to insist that Muslims have a unilateral interpretation would contradict the evidence that they indeed do not.'

 

On the below I can merely say 'okay'.

[Someone here]

@Reciprocality
So my point is when it is convient you say they cannot intepret the text any way they wish you also say the opposite. Of course to can refute this by using semantics and thus giving an example of the duplicites of language in general.

In the name of Christ people Crusaded to the Middle East raped, murdered, and even ate people. Just because Chiristians don't do so today does not mean their religion is more "moral".

And in the Quran it says, quite clearly (if I "interpret"/"twist" the words) that being the aggressor is against the beliefs of Muslims.

Right now in the world there is a situation where violence is being used and people are using hatred to use an ideology to grind their personal axes.

[Preety_India]

I'll never participate in an islam thread again. It always leads to some controversy and nothing productive, no mutual consensus and a long drab conversation that leads  nowhere. 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Preety_India

[Someone here]

@Preety_India
You must clear your ignorance first on what Islam really is by researching and understanding the Quran thoroughly before you can insist your views on Islam are credible.
I am not speculating, I have researched sufficiently to understand that Islam [partially] is inherently evil which is inspiring some Muslims who are evil prone to commit terrible evils and violence as it has happened over 1,400 years ago till the present.

[itachi uchiha]

@Someone here islam does not have monopoly on violence

 

British killed 15 millions in india in 2 bengal famines and british were athiests/christians

 

Hitler killed 6 million jews and he was christian

 

Joseph stallin killed 20 million people and he was atheist

 

France killed 1 million people in algeria and france were atheist

 

Mao tsaedung killed 50 million people and he was atheist

 

Can u name an islamic person who killed this much people

 

 

[itachi uchiha]

@Someone here @Someone here 

What Islam’s Critics Don’t Tell You about the Prophet’s Mercy to His Enemies. Source: https://islamicdiscourse.substack.com...

Critics cherry-pick incidents from the life of the Prophet (peace be upon him) showing where he fought and killed his enemies and ignore the numerous times he displayed his mercy toward them. They do not tell you that…

 

1) The Prophet (peace be upon him) prayed for the guidance (and not the destruction) of the kuffar of Taif who oppressed him [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 59, Hadith 42]

 

2) The Prophet (peace be upon him) forgave the people of Mecca, despite the years of persecution the Muslims endured under them and the wars they unleashed on the Muslims over the years [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 3, Hadith 112]

 

3) The Prophet (peace be upon him) agreed to the unfair terms of the Treaty of Hudaibiyah because he desired to spread Islam peacefully and not engage in avoidable fighting.

 

4) The Prophet (peace be upon him) spared the lives of 80 armed Meccans who wanted to attack him and the Muslims [Saheeh Muslim, Book 32, Hadith 160 & 162]

 

5) The Prophet (peace be upon him) forgave the murderer of his uncle [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 59, Hadith 399]

 

6) The Prophet (peace be upon him) forgave the Jewess who poisoned him [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 47, Hadith 786] Eventually, she was killed because a companion died later on from the poison, however before that occurred, the Prophet (peace be upon him) forgave her.

 

7) The Prophet (peace be upon him) forgave the Bedouin who tried to kill him [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 59, Hadith 458]

 

8) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not have Marba‘ bin Qaizi killed, despite him throwing dust on the faces of the Muslim army [Seerah of Ibn Hisham. Read the story in “The Sealed Nectar,” page 159]

 

9) The Prophet (peace be upon him) prayed for the famine to end before Quraysh reached the brink of destruction [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 60, Hadith 346]

 

10) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not kill the Jewish magician Labid b. Al-‘Asam who cast a spell on him [Saheeh Muslim, Book 26, Hadith 5428]

 

11) The Prophet (peace be upon him) forgave Shaybah ibn ‘Uthman, even though this was during the battle of Hunayn and while Shaybah was trying to kill the Prophet. [Ibn Hisham. Read more here.]

 

12) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not kill ‘Umayr ibn Wahb, despite ‘Umayr’s intention to come and kill the Prophet. [Reported in at-Tabarani]

 

13) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not kill the Rabbi Zaid ibn Sanah when he disrespectfully spoke to the Prophet in front of the companions. [Reported in Saheeh ibn Hibban, Al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer, and others.]

 

14) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not try to kill the hypocrites who tried to kill him during the march to Tabuk. [See: Al-Bayhaqi’s Dalaail an-Nubuwwah]

 

15) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not kill those Jews from Banu Nadhir who tried to assassinate him.

 

16) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not try to kill Arbad bin Qays and Amir bin at-Tufayl, despite them trying to kill the Prophet. Instead, Allah divinely intervened and took their lives. [Ibn Hisham]

 

17) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not kill Dhul Khuwaisira, despite his disrespect when he spoke to the Prophet. [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book 73, Hadith 184]

 

18) The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not kill the Jews who said, “Poison be upon you” [Saheeh Muslim, Book 26, Hadith 5384]

 

19) The Prophet (peace be upon him) released the captives of Hawazin and Thaqif after the Battle of Hunayn.

 

20) The Prophet (peace be upon him) accepted the Islam of his enemies and did not kill them, despite their previous crimes. This only shows that the Prophet’s end goal was to spread Islam, not kill for his own ego. Such examples include Safwan bin Ummayah, Abi Sufyan bin Harb, Hind bin ‘Utbah, Abi Sufyan bin Al-Harith, Abdullah bin Abi Ummayah bin Al-Mugheerah, Ka’b bin Zuhayr, Ikrimah bin Abi Jahl, Amr bin al-‘Aas, Khaled bin al-Waleed, ‘Adi bin Hatim, etc.

Edited February 27, 2022 by itachi uchiha

[Someone here]

@itachi uchihaI have mentioned, all evils from all sources must be addressed.
This OP is specifically about Islam thus we should focus solely on Islam and do not bring other topics to conflate and confuse the topic.

I have mentioned many times, my thesis do not blame Muslims [human beings] as the primary cause of all Islamic-related evils and violence. Basically most humans who are evil prone are unfortunately [nature] born that way, they did not ask to be evil prone.
The real culprit and primary cause of all Islamic-related evils and violence is from the ideology of Islam [partly] which trigger the evil gears in those who are evil prone.

Re OP, the regressive left must not be sympathetic to Islam but understand Islam [partially] has malignant and evil elements that are a threat to themselves and humanity.

I think the bottle neck in hindering our ability to move forward in this discussion is your lack of knowledge of the Quran and Islam thoroughly and objectively. I suggest you suspend judgment on all matters related to Islam till you have understood Islam thoroughly.

[itachi uchiha]

@Someone here

I studied islam for 7 years in my childhood.islamaphobia is a billion dollar industry and there are lot of resource against islam.i think u acquired knowledge of islam from fox news ,sam harris, and other islamaphobic sources

[Someone here]

@itachi uchiha 

I am sure you think you have intellectual integrity – but I do not see it - actually quite the opposite. I brought up many issues with Islam today in our world – these issues are not really theoretical – rather they are actual problems. Specifically is Muhammad a philanderer – misogynist – pedophile and a genocidal murderer? Is he an ideal man as Daviddunn professed? Are women in Islam generally oppressed and used as breeding machines? Is Islam taking over the world by numbers? Is Islam a real political movement as part of its theology?

[itachi uchiha]

@Someone here i donot have time to read all the comments in the post. i do not have enought time to spend in this forum . why dont u write all your issues with islam after this comment and i will look it up and clear your doubt. it will take time as i do not have time.there are many vidoes currently made refuting this false accusations . i will look it up. post your doubts below

 

for an introduction  see the videos below

 

 

[Someone here]

@itachi uchiha
The fact is the Quran has various strategies to strive to dominate the world and non-Muslims. One of these strategies is to continually cast terrors on the non-Muslims to keep them in check till they [Islam] execute their offensive strategies to take total control. Such objectives may look like wishful thinking but it is a fact the Islamists [many, not all] are striving very hard and zealously as a divine duty to carry out what Allah wants them to do.

Here is one verse [amongst many] in the Quran that command Muslims to case terrors into the heart of disbelievers, i.e. non-Muslims.

3:151. We [Allah] shall cast terror [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve because they [infidels] ascribe unto Allah partners [ShRK: ashrakū idols and deities], for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their [infidels] habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong doers [l-ẓālimīna] [infidels].

Muslims are exhorted to carry out terror activities at least twice a year to terrorize to keep them in check to maintain Islam's dominance and superiority.

The critical point here these evil intentions in the Quran are leveraged on an existential crisis and immutable holy texts within the threat of Hell if believers do not comply with whatever is commanded in the holy texts. This is why such religious-based ideology is more dangerous than Nazism, fascism and other ideologies which can be suppressed.

The above strategies is working very well judging from how so many non-Muslims are affected by the real terrors that are committed around the world at present. The effect is subliminal and many non-Muslims [especially the regressive left] are mentally subdued and cowered to be cowards into a state of apathy. [take to 'flight' instead of 'fight'] This mental torture is so bad on their part that they do whatever it takes to silent critiques of the ideology Islam [not Muslims] so as not to aggravate those SOME Muslims to strike more terror.

Meanwhile other groups of Muslims are portraying themselves as victims by pulling the emotions of the non-Muslims. Unfortunately many [especially the regressive left] are taking this bait.

[Someone here]

My view; the problem is from the Quran [partly] which has loads of evil elements. The Quran is the "constitutional" doctrine of Islam supposedly directly from Allah while the Ahadiths [by humans - subject to Chinese Whisper] are secondary to the constitution.


There it is goes again, terror, terror here, there and everywhere, now in London, then Manchester, way back to 1,400 years ago when Islam was initiated by one or a group of psychopath.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Someone here

[itachi uchiha]

@Someone here i will clarify this  after some research

[snowyowl]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

your lack of knowledge of the Quran and Islam thoroughly and objectively.

My own knowledge of Islam is also limited (it's a big subject after all). But one point I've learned is the lack of objective, archaeological evidence of early Islam. Of course the Koran, Hadith etc are biased just like other scriptures but apparently there's a shortage of good archaeology and independent historical sources to corroborate it. For comparison, most of what we know about the British Druids comes from their enemies the Romans so you have to make adjustments for the bias. 

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

In the name of Christ people Crusaded to the Middle East raped, murdered, and even ate people.

Sorry but this triggers me when Western Christians alone get blamed for invading the Holy Land. I can't think of any culture in that land which didn't do so by invading and violently conquering its predecessors. Step forward the Israelis, Hittites, Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Romans, Muslims, Ottomans, Zionists. You probably need to go way back to stone age society to find a peaceful migration! 

[John Paul]

@Someone here

it's because muslim's in america are at just about the same advancement as christians in america. and the more petty, simple-minded folks on the left (stage green) make it a point to stick up for all of the little guys in America. Muslims are a huge minority, the little guys. so stage green people in america specifically want them to feel welcome whereas stage blue people "want them out" type of thing and stage orange will just make some immature joke about how they are a terrorist or just as bad as stage blue christians therefore they deserve no mercy when in face if no one stood up for them they may end up being victimized by hate more so than they are (who knows) 

there's a reason for everything from the other perspective 

[John Paul]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

I have mentioned many times, my thesis do not blame Muslims [human beings] as the primary cause of all Islamic-related evils and violence. Basically most humans who are evil prone are unfortunately [nature] born that way, they did not ask to be evil prone.
The real culprit and primary cause of all Islamic-related evils and violence is from the ideology of Islam [partly] which trigger the evil gears in those who are evil prone.

you are right. and don't think that stage green people are too stupid to know this. stage green people are smart... yet in practice fucking stupid.

think of it more like this: america is mostly christian, yet they are running the show, putting prayer on football tv etc. many stage blue-orange people have no problem with this even if they aren't spiritual about their religion and yet are anti-muslim or spread anti-muslim rhetoric blah blah. it's stage green trying to expand the perspective of lower stages in a dumb way (maybe, idk, a lot green bandwagoning too, all kinds of reasons)

[Someone here]

There is indeed a general tendency of people to sympathize with Islam. But this general tendency is not restricted to the left and liberals. The figures and worldwide statistics show that there is a general and global tendency of people to sympathize with Islam, whether in the West or the East, or whether from the left or the right! From the USA, through Europe and Africa to Japan, people are not only just sympathizing but are massively converting to Islam. However, this is not a new phenomenon but it has always been the case.

For example, demographers predict that by 2050-2070, Islam will equal Christianity as the world’s dominant religion in terms of number of adherents to the faith. And from there, it will displace and surpass Christianity and become the world sole dominant religion, if God wills.

Some people might consider this as a new phenomenon, but it is truly not. This has been going for centuries, since Islam started to spread from the Arabian Peninsula. For example, today the largest Muslim population in the world is in the area of Indonesia and Malaysia, which together amounts to roughly 250 million Muslim living in those countries. So, nearly a quarter billion Muslims look more like Bruce Lee than Omar Shariff! One may be asking: How is that possible? The complete and concise answer is: God, the Almighty does what He intends.

The long answer would require a historical perspective. At around the 12th century CE, Hinduism and Buddhism were the dominant religion in Indonesia and Malaysia. Near that time some few Arab Muslim sailors, would start to commerce with the people there. These early Indonesians and Malaysians would be so impressed by the impeccable manners and personal ethics of these sailors that they started to inquire with them: why they were like that!! The sailors would then inform them that, their honesty and good ethical manners were made compulsory on them by God, the Almighty in the Holy Quran. As a result, many of these early Indonesians and Malaysians started to convert to Islam, and they would then bring the religion to their families. From a handful of Muslim sailors’ impeccable manners, today we have the largest Muslim community in the world!

[Ulax]

People don't tend to think with complexity, and nuance.
And, also there is stigma against criticising islam.