What Women With Autism Want You To Know

[Bernardo Carleial]

This is my first topic on this thread (I think...)

I don't have much to say because the video is quite self-explanatory. But because I think it provides us with such honesty and high quality information about autism on women, and the way they carry it through in our society,  that I decided to share it and try to have a discussion about it.??

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Bernardo Carleial

[Windappreciator]

it's a right brain half dysfunction leading to less capabilities to be in the moment, just let things happen, be intuitive, feel into stuff, so you overly analyse and neuroticise

Edited December 24, 2021 by Windappreciator

[Nahm]

@Bernardo Carleial

Just an exploratory question for ya, curious what comes up… how would you describe autism without separate selves? 

[Bernardo Carleial]

3 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Bernardo Carleial

Just an exploratory question for ya, curious what comes up… how would you describe autism without separate selves? 

Hello @Nahm

I must confess that I did not understood your question?, could you explain me a little more what do you want me to explore??

[Nahm]

@Bernardo Carleial

Put another way… describe what autism is… curious as to whatever comes to mind. But describe autism, and not any individual.  

[Bernardo Carleial]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

@Bernardo Carleial

Put another way… describe what autism is… curious as to whatever comes to mind. But describe autism, and not any individual.  

Oh.. okay  now I get it! 

I would describe as a mental processing (wiring(?)) Which "designs the brain" to become "highly pragmatic" and "overly efficient" in the "objective world",  but it has a hard time accessing the subject world of introspection and intuition (most the time), and, because this function is lacking to some degree, there is a gap in relating to other subjective minds in our human interactions...

I know I'm not being able to explain eloquently, it is a tricky thing to try to access other people's "being-in-the-world" so to speak... and even if do , I'm aware that I'm projecting a lot of my biases and impressions/experiences about reality that might relate to this topic...

But thanks for asking @Nahm!

it was a very interesting (and challenging) thought exercise...

Here is a video by Jordan Peterson, posted by  @Carl-Richard, in which he gives more insightful examples of what might be happening inside the mind of an autistic person. 

 

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by Bernardo Carleial

[Nahm]

19 minutes ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

but having a hard time in accessing their

Not in disagreement with anything you’ve shared, nor anything in the video. But who are you talking about? Who are they talking about? 

[Raptorsin7]

No one IS autistic in the sense that is permanent and unchanging across time. 

But try to tell that to the people in the video and they will take as an attack on their very identity, and they will look at you like you are crazy

[Bernardo Carleial]

4 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Not in disagreement with anything you’ve shared, nor anything in the video. But who are you talking about? Who are they talking about? 

Interesting... seems like you're trying to disassociate as much as possible the "subject" from its "behavior" and see what comes out of this... right now the best I can do is to contemplate about it...??

[Nahm]

3 minutes ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

Interesting... seems like you're trying to disassociate as much as possible the "subject" from its "behavior" and see what comes out of this... right now the best I can do is to contemplate about it...??

No disassociation. 

[Raptorsin7]

1 minute ago, Loba said:

They would probably say that it is permanent, but also changing, I doubt they would take it as an attack on their identity, but it's kind of not really your place to make those statements if you don't have it.

Yeah only autistic people are qualified to address or deal with autistic people's issues, that sounds like a great philosophy for productivity and success.

3 minutes ago, Loba said:

It affects more than behaviours, it has to do with how your brain processes the world sensory too; how you deal with stimuli.  At least, for me, a large part of it has that aspect to it.  That doesn't really change, it's just how my brain is - I'm sensitive.

That's the story you tell yourself, but it's not the truth. You don't have to live with any of that stuff, but you accept it and so it is what it is.

[Bernardo Carleial]

32 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Not in disagreement with anything you’ve shared, nor anything in the video. But who are you talking about? Who are they talking about? 

I was trying to say that this mental activity has a hard time accessing the subject world of introspection intuition,  both in an individual and a collective way

(I realized that I've misspelled a lot of words in that comment,  I'm gonna edit a bit later)

[Raptorsin7]

@Loba I don't want to argue or trigger you. But I believe it is possible to reverse every so called negative symptom that you associate with autism. I do not believe it's permanent like you are claiming.

Have you ever looked into anyone who claimed they cured their autism? 

You have no idea what's possible with respect to healing. The genetics argument is a cop out and a convenient scape goat to avoid responsibility. 

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Loba said:

This explains where there is a segue in communication between people - those who know what is best for themselves and those who can only speculate.

How do you know that you know what is best for yourself?

[Raptorsin7]

@Loba So it feels to say that your autism is purely genetic and theres nothing you can do to transcend the condition?

[Bernardo Carleial]

1 hour ago, Loba said:

Have you ever had that tickling feeling in your stomach that almost hurts from being on a ride, or going down a hill really fast?  Like that - your nervous system would react - or if you took a drug, or coffee, or ... many things can change the state, but autistic people can't change that wiring completely.  We can get very far, but it doesn't go away, we just get really... really... reaaaalllly good at hiding it, crafty.

No one knows I have it unless I say something.  I've been able to "pass" as normal most of my life and sometimes that is a detriment - like when talking to doctors or psychiatrists, and I come across as normal, super smart and put together, and my life might be falling apart from the symptoms that I am looking to manage - and I'm just brushed aside time and time again when I speak out on these things and how they are a real, raw, genuine lived experience and there are other women in the world who also have it and deal with these things.

 

Wow That description  was very insightful ?

Also the video you sent gives an extra dimension on what it feels like to experience the world having autism, even as a viewer watching at a distance... I also didn't that Leo has autism.

58 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@Loba I don't want to argue or trigger you. But I believe it is possible to reverse every so called negative symptom that you associate with autism. I do not believe it's permanent like you are claiming.

Be careful with what you're claiming with that message ...

You're trying to  contest her claim at the level of concepts and viewpoints,  she's is trying to present her argument at the level of direct experience.

There are disabilities which are permanent, like physical disabilities (being blind, handicapped,  etc..), but to what degree this is gonna affect their lives, that's up for debate...

I don't know how to experience/perceive the world as a blind person for example, and even if he's capable of interacting with society in a way which is perceived as functional, I would never expect him to reach the same level as me with regard to visual cues...

I know this example may sound silly,  or that it isn't applicable for people with the autism spectrum,  that's  because our society tends to trivialize any disability that isn't grossly perceived by us...

That's why Leo talks so much about Radical Open Mindedness. And that is why I'm gonna send a couple of Leo's videos here to further expand that notion.

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by Bernardo Carleial

[Danioover9000]

@Bernardo Carleial

On 12/24/2021 at 6:39 PM, Bernardo Carleial said:

This is my first topic on this thread (I think...)

I don't have much to say because the video is quite self-explanatory. But because I think it provides us with such honesty and high quality information about autism on women, and the way they carry it through in our society,  that I decided to share it and try to have a discussion about it.??

 

   I can to some degree relate to their struggles. I do have some difficulties myself in some social situations, and sometimes reading between the lines that I had to read books and videos about body language, tonality, speaking and so on to just tell apart joking  and sarcasm from being serious, and observe people and myself more so sometimes. The bullying sucks no matter how subtle it is either.

[Nahm]

4 hours ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

I was trying to say that this mental activity has a hard time accessing the subject world of introspection intuition,  both in an individual and a collective way

(I realized that I've misspelled a lot of words in that comment,  I'm gonna edit a bit later)

Yes, I see. It can also be seen mental activity & has a hard time, are thoughts, or, are ‘thought activity’, and thus can not have a hard time. In the sense, an individual is still in play, with ‘has a hard time’ being accredited to ‘it’ as if there were a ‘separate self’ ‘there’. 

If you wrote ‘who are you talking about’ on a piece of paper & watched that first video again, it’s a different experience. Just interesting is all. 

 

[Bernardo Carleial]

1 hour ago, Nos7algiK said:

It's possible they  could help you if you was to ever get your hands on them again. Specially with the binaural beats and I really think that was the secret sauce to what happened, though I don't want to make any promises. But, there are definite baseline shifts that can happen specially when we use psychedelics. If that means one lets go of their trauma, heals some mental illness, or realizes God. All of these can permanently change us. Of course though one could have a really bad experience that goes in the opposite direction for the baseline as well.

Simply speaking, as I mentioned before, I did this all to myself. Even if I can't control the outside circumstances that I perceived when I was young which manifested my warped thinking. It was my "choice" to perceive it that way and by shifting one's consciousness and perspective overall on life they can "choose" to (un)see how they previously viewed the world. Sort of a "All my life I thought I had bad vision and needed glasses. No glasses worked for me. Turns out I was always wearing glasses that were warping my vision I just never knew I was. I took them off, now I can see purely."  Also I put "choice" in quotes because it's not as simple as saying we always have a choice.

@Nos7algiK, First and foremost, I want to congratulate you for such an achievement my friend!???

However,  I want to emphasize that this had occurred by accident,  and, from what you've mentioned, it took a couple of months to acclimate (even if the majority of it was solved) to this new state of consciousness, it was also aided by binaural beats, so it is uncertain if replicated in the same way, for other people in the autism spectrum, to be able to solve their problems or if it might get worse, and therefore, they still may have to face the challenges of sensory overload in their (social) environment .

However (2), your claim for the use of psychedelics for the treatment of autism is entirely possible, magic mushrooms and MDMA is already being studying as a treatment for PTSD and some extreme cases of depression...

In fact, I was browsing on the internet and found an article which talks precisely about studies on psychedelics for the treatment of autism, and the reports from the patients were very similar to yours, which is quite promising!?

 

Here's the link for ya:??

https://filtermag.org/psychedelics-autistic-people/amp/

Edited December 25, 2021 by Bernardo Carleial

[Raptorsin7]

16 hours ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

Be careful with what you're claiming with that message ...

You're trying to  contest her claim at the level of concepts and viewpoints,  she's is trying to present her argument at the level of direct experience.

There are disabilities which are permanent, like physical disabilities (being blind, handicapped,  etc..), but to what degree this is gonna affect their lives, that's up for debate...

I don't know how to experience/perceive the world as a blind person for example, and even if he's capable of interacting with society in a way which is perceived as functional, I would never expect him to reach the same level as me with regard to visual cues...

I know this example may sound silly,  or that it isn't applicable for people with the autism spectrum,  that's  because our society tends to trivialize any disability that isn't grossly perceived by us...

That's why Leo talks so much about Radical Open Mindedness. And that is why I'm gonna send a couple of Leo's videos here to further expand that notion.

I do have direct experience. I never had an official diagnosis but I had/have many autistic traits growing up, i've had many people comment on me potentially having Asperger Syndrome.

I have felt my coordination, mental clarity, emotional capacity all transform from psychidelics. I didn't know it was possible before the trips, but after those experiences it just seems clear that all these things are not set in stone and they can dramatically transformed.

I don't know why you people are so attached to living like second class citizens, but at this point I am just sharing what's possible but if people want to remain attached to their autism I don't have the motivation to argue them out of their position