A stage Blue guy can get laid more than a Stage Orange or above guy?

[Hardkill]

Leo said in a previous thread entitled "Pickup feels fake and low conscious," that:

On 11/15/2021 at 7:07 AM, Leo Gura said:

You can say whatever you want but most women are attracted to low consciousness behavior. Which is why the most low consciousness guys get laid the most and the most conscious guys get laid the least.

He also said in another previous entitled "Pickup id good-crap" that:

On 7/26/2020 at 3:25 AM, Leo Gura said:

In stage Blue society getting laid is a lot easier because you just go to church and marry some girl your church friends introduce you to.

So does that really mean that a stage Blue guy is able to get easier than another guy either stage orange or stage green or maybe stage Yellow or maybe stage Turquoise? 

I thought guys who is at stage Orange or above would get laid easier than someone at Stage Blue because of how sexually repressed you are when you are at stage Blue, whereas guys who are at stage Orange or above are more sexually liberated and open-minded.

[Raze]

I think what he means is that in a stage blue society almost everyone is in a sense assigned a mate because the expectation is you have to start a family. Part of sexual repression involves having sex, just in specific contexts. The Catholic Church in the Middle Ages was fine with you having sex, if you are doing it when you are married with the intention to have children.

Whereas in stage red or stage orange there is a competition and thus inequality. It can be easier for one person who excels to sleep with more people, but for the average person not so much.

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Raze

[Preety_India]

In a way this is empirically true. 

In stage Blue societies like mine, I have hardly ever seen guys complain about not getting girls. My dad didn't have to approach any woman. He simply went to my mom's house who was really young and one of the prettiest girls at the time (my dad was not that good looking) and he simply stated to my grandmother that he wished to marry my mother. My grandmother instantly arranged for their marriage and it happened really quickly without the consent of my mother. She wasn't particularly attracted to my dad as she had taken fancy to some other handsome dude in the neighborhood. But before she could marry the man of her dreams, her marriage got fixed to my dad. 

My dad was shy, passive, lacked social skills and would have never got a woman (since he was extremely shy and never spoke much to anyone and totally sucked at conversations) if he had been living in a country like America or any stage orange society. There would have been brutal competition to get a woman/girlfriend /wife.

I think this is one of the reasons why some men prefer traditional blue patriarchal systems because they feel insecure about landing a mate. 

Whereas the monogamous blue system gives them perfect conditions to get any woman of their choice. All they have to do is send an intimation stating that they need a wife. 

I remember my mom used to talk about her cousin who wasn't a good looking guy but once he sent word in his community that he was ready to get married, he was getting plenty of beautiful girls to choose from, almost like a catalog of beautiful women from his community and he kept rejecting all of them (this is mostly because in my mother's time, girls didn't have the freedom to be financially independent so parents used to marry them off to any available eligible bachelor, it didn't matter whether he was tall/short, not good looking or attractive, he would get a huge supply of women waiting to be married to him(mostly without the woman's choice or consent). He finally married a girl who wasn't very good looking because all the good looking ones who were rejected were picked/selected by other men in the meantime while he was rejecting them. He kinda regretted it and told my mom that he shouldn't have been so picky. But it was too late. 

Today men in my culture find it difficult to get a wife/girlfriend because of independence, stage Green values slowly replacing an old stage Blue system, feminism and women being more in control of their finances like never before. So women insist on the kind of man they want and don't settle for anything they don't want. Forced marriages have kinda reduced because of feminism and awareness of female sexual freedom. 

As a result, the culture is slowly shifting to stage Orange achievement career based and now men in my culture are struggling with competition in the mating market. 

Guys who earn less or don't look good enough rarely get a marriage proposal. 

So from observing this social trend and comparing it to my mother's and grandmother's time, I can say that stage orange and green independence and feminist based culture makes it difficult for men to get women. They aren't basically provided with a bride like they were used to. 

But this has been a huge bonus for women because they are freed from a system where they had to marry a man without their will/choice /consent. 

Now most girls are likely to marry a man who is chosen by them. 

 

 

[Preety_India]

@Knowledge Hoarder true. 

[Leo Gura]

You can still go to a poor 3rd world country with American money and get a wife like that.

It's not hard to get women when she has no resources but you do. It becomes a business transaction.

[Hardkill]

So, then would you guys say that a man at stage Blue may be able to get laid easier than those at stage Orange or above, but that actually a man at stage Orange or above can get laid more than a man at stage Blue?

[Pavement]

@Preety_India I just read this article and thought of what you said about women in India not being allowed to choose who they marry.. 

‘Indian women make up 36% of all global suicides in the 18-39 age group’ 
https://bbc.in/3pZXCLH?fbclid=IwAR1inuDzBGEzuQ-hYPfwNNTYvCTuRieTb806p7kr6O5LO47OtQ7596DqGKg
 

[Preety_India]

@Pavement Yea Indian women suicide rates are sky high. I read lt all the time. 

That's because the culture here (in my country I mean) is extremely harsh towards women. 

Every day I read about several women committing suicide in the newspaper. Unmarried women are generally happier.

Its the married women who jump off because of harassment, abuse from husband or in laws being the most common reason for it. 

Indian women are treated worse than dogs in America. 

That's why girls are scared of marriage. They are happy being single. 

Marriage for most Indian women is like a death trap. 

I wasn't ready to marry either. I used to tell my mom that I don't wish to marry (in the future) even when I was barely  14 years old. Because I used to read horror stories in the newspaper about women who  used to jump in front of a train after being abused by their husbands. That's a part of Generational trauma, a patriarchy that is extremely cruel to women, it's nothing like western patriarchy. 

India has a very long history of abusing its women in the most vicious ways. Neither am I playing victim nor am I exaggerating. 

If you hear or read some of the stuff, it will literally send shivers down your spine. 

I don't even want to go too deep into it. The land has innocent woman's blood on it. Enough said. 

 

[zazen]

On 12/15/2021 at 8:41 PM, Hardkill said:

So, then would you guys say that a man at stage Blue may be able to get laid easier than those at stage Orange or above, but that actually a man at stage Orange or above can get laid more than a man at stage Blue?

In stage blue the society does the heavy lifting for men to get into a relationship and for it to be maintained by societal pressure. This doesn't necessarily mean that relationship is a happy one as that dynamic can lead to men being abusing their power and being abusive etc as @Preety_India points out. You could say its a planned vs free love/relationship. In a planned society everyone gets to attempt to fall in love with their paired off partner, in a free society everyone has to show up themselves and win the other persons heart. In the free society you could have people not getting relationships due to their own short comings, and you could get others who get many relationships or access to sex, getting laid is more variable. 

[Preety_India]

@zazen I'm more in favor of a free love society because people have to work hard to win someone's affections so it's well earned and well deserved. 

I think most people in such a society are objectively going to choose a better, healthier partner unless they themselves are neurotic in which case no amount of freedom or privilege can change the outcome. 

 

[hamedsf]

you can say that in some cases but there are always exceptions.