Karmadhi

High value guy is mostly made, high value girl is mostly born

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1 minute ago, Consept said:

@Preety_India do you see potential issues with having an unbalanced view? For example you said women that approach guys are exploited for sex, treated badly, rejected etc, now this could be part of the picture, but it's definitely not the whole picture, however you've said it like it's very common and the reason that women don't approach men. You could take a more holistic view and say approaching is difficult across the board, for example even a good looking guy who's good at talking to women would only get a hit rate (number, date etc) of around 10% from cold approaching women, so meaning if he approached 100 women only 10 would show a good level of interest.

I could easily say women are bad, they always reject you and lie to you that they gave a boyfriend or whatever, or I can look at it like that's just how it is. If I did say women are bad I could also paint it as that's my opinion and it's what I see and women can improve from what I'm saying because I don't want to sugar coat things. Do you see the problem? 

Your opinion, in this case, is like taking something that happens (generously) 5% of the time and saying people should act as if it happens all the time and put judgement on a whole group of people based on this opinion. 

 

Nope. I'm not trying to generalize. Just showing one facet of it based on my experience. To have a holistic view, one needs to have a holistic experience which doesn't happen in everyone's case. Don't take whatever I say with a grain of salt but also don't ignore it because there is a certain truth to it as well, although it doesn't apply to everyone, it does apply to some. If it happened to me it could happen to others as well. Should it mean that everyone is that way, absolutely not. It only means it's one of the many dimensions. It's impossible to have an opinion to not color your perception, this is bound to happen. But one thing is true, that whatever I say is not 5% of the time, I'm quite confident about it. It happens a lot more than that. Because many people agree with me, by which I mean women. 

Men say bad things about women on the forum all the time as if it's the holy grail. I'm not trying to play into that though. 

My final take is that whatever I say is a part of the picture but not the whole picture but just because it's a part of the picture, it shouldn't be ignored or considered irrelevant. 

 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

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3 hours ago, Preety_India said:

To have a holistic view, one needs to have a holistic experience which doesn't happen in everyone's case.

If that was the case no one would have a holistic view as no one can experience everything. Experience is important but obviously you have to do things like perspective taking, looking at research, hearing people talk about their experiences etc. If you're trying to make sense of things having a one track view is not going to help with that. 

3 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Men say bad things about women on the forum all the time as if it's the holy grail. I'm not trying to play into that though. 

My final take is that whatever I say is a part of the picture but not the whole picture but just because it's a part of the picture, it shouldn't be ignored or considered irrelevant. 

Men do say bad things sometimes and it's usually shot down by Leo or other people as it's toxic incel mindsets. 

Your take is part of the picture but think about incels, they could also say the exact same thing, in their experience they always get rejected by girls and they see these alpha male types getting all the girls and girls are shallow. From their perspective this is 100% true but does it really give any context or understanding to male/female relations? No not really, this is the same if you take a dogmatic view on the other side. (not saying yours is as toxic as incels) 

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Someone needs to invent a psychedelic that would transform a man into a woman and a woman into a man. Maybe after that, we would be able to understand ourselves.

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58 minutes ago, Raphael said:

Someone needs to invent a psychedelic that would transform a man into a woman and a woman into a man. Maybe after that, we would be able to understand ourselves.

That would be effective. Maybe I just think too logically but I never understood the point of someone getting worked up and fighting over male/female stuff.

First of all we need each other to survive.

Second of all people got to stop taking themselves and their "team" so seriously. It's completely arbitrary that anyone is the sex they are. It's literally a 50/50 coinflip that you were born what you are.

 


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1 hour ago, Roy said:

That would be effective. Maybe I just think too logically but I never understood the point of someone getting worked up and fighting over male/female stuff.

First of all we need each other to survive.

Second of all people got to stop taking themselves and their "team" so seriously. It's completely arbitrary that anyone is the sex they are. It's literally a 50/50 coinflip that you were born what you are.

I agree with you, i guess the question is how do you talk about these things without one, creating some kind of polarisation if people dont like what youre presenting and two, you yourself across as youre 'for' one or the other side? 

Ive noticed this isnt exclusive to this topic though, any discussion entered where people have a strong attachment to one side of something, it almost drags you into the  binary 'if you dont agree with me youre against me'. I would say i try my best to be objective, look at facts and take on the other persons perspective, but i also know its very easy to get drawn into these polarised position, even when i dont really have any tie to the particular topic.  

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@Preety_India Thing is that these things are very cultural dependent. In India and most conservative countries it is as you say. However in more western countries it is not. I know a lot of guys that would love if a woman approached them but it never happens so they approach. There is nothing wrong with guy having to approach but you complain about being approached which is a paradox. How would you fix this issue? Force guys to reach a certain level of "value" before being given the right to approach? LOOOL. Please be realistic. I would love if you girls opened your legs after 1 hour of chatting but you do not and i understand that it is unrealistic and selfish as fuck and do not complain about it. You basically are asking for square circles here.

@wwhy I was just saying that because she complained about being approached by guys, so i told her if you do not like to be approached by guys then maybe you should approach instead. 

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53 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

There is nothing wrong with guy having to approach but you complain about being approached which is a paradox.

Being approached is one thing and being harassed is another. 

 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

Preety preety

 

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24 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

have you ever been harassed?

 

What do you mean? 

 


INTP loner..... Live a Roman.  Die a Roman...... Nothing else but to enjoy  the rest of my dream. Love it. (I'm more Roman than you'll ever be ) only guys with zero ego and zero passive aggressive can talk to me, rest need not bother 

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On 4/14/2021 at 9:01 PM, Leo Gura said:

The point of this thread is that men are luckier than women, because it's easier for a man to raise his sexual value.

Takes lots of work though.

Exceptionally physically good-looking men and women alike get special treatment. This has always been the case and will always be the case. It is like being born to a millionaire family. It is a rare gift that lands in your lap. And if you get it, you will certainly use it to advance your survival.

I am not so sure about this. I don't like to keep bragging about my looks, but in all honesty tons of people throughout my life have told me that I look like a high end male model or movie star. So, I used to think that I would get significant special treatment from others because of my looks, but according to my experience rarely if ever did that turn out to be the case, whether it be at school, work, friends, girls, family members. The only thing that my great looks got me was a lot of compliments on my looks from other people including a lot of girls during my middle school and high school years. After my high school years, I began to get somewhat less compliments from other including girls on my looks than I did before even though I still looked highly attractive and was getting even more toned. In fact, after I graduated college when I was 22, that's when I began to rarely received more compliments from others on my physical appearance. Even after putting on about 15-20 lbs. of real solid muscle on me and becoming even more shredded I didn't actually receive much more attention from others including other girls. I only got more compliments on my body from my family members, close friends of mine, a few other random people on instagram, and the small amount of girls I made out with or had sex with.

Quite frankly, I am really starting to think that good looks are useless if you don't have much status or popularity.

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