What is heaven/paradise?

[actualizing25]

All the religions talk about it, Islam, Christianity etc. But what exactly is heaven or paradise? and why is it called that way?

[The0Self]

Turn around in a circle. See how your visual field just moved across your consciousness, but you were always facing out, not back? Back is towards heaven. Unbelievably crudely put.

[erik8lrl]

This is heaven.

[James123]

1 hour ago, actualizing25 said:

But what exactly is heaven or paradise? and why is it called that way?

No self. 

[actualizing25]

@James123 Have you experienced heaven yourself? 

[James123]

3 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

@James123 Have you experienced heaven yourself? 

It is the moment. When there is no self, you are the experience itself.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, actualizing25 said:

But what exactly is heaven or paradise?

A fantasy. 

[peachboy]

[actualizing25]

@Someone here Why that? The religions surely tried to point towards something.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, actualizing25 said:

@Someone here Why that? The religions surely tried to point towards something.

Yes to a fantasy. 

Why?  Because the human self wishes to live in a perfect reality that fits all It's desires but this wish clashes so bad with the actual reality that just happens to be a pain in the ass for the most part.. So no other solutions than to run into la la land. 

[actualizing25]

@Someone here To say that religions are pointing to a fantasy is really ignorant. There surely has to be something magnificent to discover(heaven/paradise/truth). Otherwise why would awakened beings like Rumi or Eckart Tolle for example describe it as eternal joy, love, unconditional happiness etc. If someone isn't deluded then its definitetly an enlightened being/master.

[Someone here]

@actualizing25 you can't have unconditional condition. 

Nothing is eternal.  Anything that begins must die eventually . 

Eternal joy?  Lol let that shit go. 

 

[actualizing25]

@Someone here Have you had any enlightenment experiences?

[Someone here]

@actualizing25 define what do  you imagine "enlightenment" to be first.. 

[actualizing25]

@Someone here Merging with the Absolute, ego-death, merging with god, dissolution of all seperations etc. becoming ONE

[Leo Gura]

The realization that everything is Eternal, that death is imaginary, and that there is no difference between anything (Infinite Love).

God-consciousness is heaven. God is heaven. Love is heaven.

Infinite Love Forever.

Complete realization of yourself as God.

Infinite Consciousness.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, actualizing25 said:

Merging with the Absolute. 

The absolute is all that exists . Can't merge with myself cuz I already am myself. 

 

2 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

ego-death

There is no ego to die. 

 

2 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

Merging with God. 

God is just another word for the absolute.. So.... 

 

3 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

dissolution of all seperations 

If that happend I couldn't be here obviously.. And If that's what you think enlightenment is then no human alive is enlightened. 

 

5 minutes ago, actualizing25 said:

becoming ONE

That's already the case 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

That's already the case 

It's not the case to those who aren't conscious of it -- which is almost everyone.

You are being far too flippant and pedantic. As if the whole world is conscious.

[Artsu]

Everyone will go to heaven, 

But there is more than one heaven.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Artsu

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's It's not the case to those who aren't conscious of it -- which is almost everyone.

I know.  Which is why there is no alternative.. If you become "totally" conscious of it I guess you literally die.. Can't function without duality.. Nothing could even exist without duality (or without you imagining that there is duality at least). In that case If you define heaven as that then it literally means the end of experience once and for all annihilation forever. And that's what Buddhism defines nirvana as btw. 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Someone here