Leo, can you elaborate on the idea that I “imagine” that I had a past?

[Inliytened1]

It's not going to make sense if you are coming from the materialist paradigm.   If you believe consciousness is ocurring in the brain and that there is a a physical reality behind the scenes - and that reality is made of matter - you probably ain't gonna get it. Because you still have the framework and worldview that you are a physical entity.   Have to break out of this paradigm and have the epiphany that reality is analogous to a giant Mind.  Because its infinity.   Need to get a direct hit of Infinity.  Then it will be cake.

[justfortoday]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's not going to make sense if you are coming from the materialist paradigm.   If you believe consciousness is ocurring in the brain and that there is a a physical reality behind the scenes - and that reality is made of matter - you probably ain't gonna get it. Because you still have the framework and worldview that you are a physical entity.   Have to break out of this paradigm and have the epiphany that reality is analogous to a giant Mind.  Because its infinity.   Need to get a direct hit of Infinity.  Then it will be cake.

Well said.

The thing about Truth is that it is so radical, that the mind rejects it as "too good to be true" or "fantastical" - when the Materialist paradigm IS the most fantastical fiction ever told.

Objects are not possible. Only consciousness is possible.

Look at your hand. Your hand is made out of consciousness.

Fictions like "you have an eye and you're looking at objects that exist in a mechanical universe"... LOL

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by justfortoday

[cnfvm]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's not going to make sense if you are coming from the materialist paradigm.   If you believe consciousness is ocurring in the brain and that there is a a physical reality behind the scenes - and that reality is made of matter - you probably ain't gonna get it. Because you still think that you are physical entity.   Have to break out of this paradigm and have the epiphany that reality is analogous to a giant Mind.  Because its infinity.   Need to get a direct hit of Infinity.  Then it will be cake.

Past obviously doesn't exist now. that is easy. it is us imagining past.  some are talking about, PAST as if it never happened.

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Memories happens within so called self. Self is an illusion, there is no self. 

if Memories=X happens in "noself=0" , obviously that will not give you any results. because X / 0 = undefined.

[Dylan Page]

I suppose the biggest problem I’m having is understanding the implications to this in relationship to my life. @Leo Gura

[cnfvm]

1 minute ago, justfortoday said:

Well said.

The thing about Truth is that it is so radical, that the mind rejects it as "too good to be true" or "fantastical" - when the Materialist paradigm IS the most fantastical fiction ever told.

Objects are not possible. Only consciousness is possible.

Look at your hand. Your hand is made out of consciousness.

Fictions like "you have an eye and you're looking at objects that exist in a mechanical universe"... LOL

 

My hand is an object made out of consciousness. which makes us rethink about what an object is. Which makes us think about how we think. Which makes us think about how thinking shapes consciousness.

[justfortoday]

Just now, cnfvm said:

My hand is an object made out of consciousness. which makes us rethink about what an object is. Which makes us think about how we think. Which makes us think about how thinking shapes consciousness.

Actually, no.

Your hand is an appearance happening inside consciousness. Objects aren't possible.

Only APPEARANCE is possible.

Your hand is not an object, that would imply it is separate from you. 

"Object" is just a label you are imagining right now to assign to ever-changing appearance within your experience.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, justfortoday said:

 

Fictions like "you have an eye and you're looking at objects that exist in a mechanical universe"... LOL

 

Drop that fiction (really drop it) and see how you gonna die in a matter of days.. 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

Past obviously doesn't exist now. that is easy. it is us imagining past.  some are talking about, PAST as if it never happened.

 

That's what i was eluding to - at the Absolute level - Pure Truth - nothing is happening.  This is nothing right now.  Because all form is imaginary and thus illusory.   Pure Truth is actually the collapse of all form or duality and becoming the present moment which is Absolute Nothing and also Absolute Love.

That is what is meant by you are God imagining you are a human.

[justfortoday]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Drop that fiction (really drop it) and see how you gonna die in a matter of days.. 

I invite you to drop THAT fiction.

[James123]

12 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

if Memories=X happens in "noself=0" , obviously that will not give you any results. because X / 0 = undefined.

I am 0. So memories cant happen. But 0= infinite 

Edited July 19, 2020 by James123

[justfortoday]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

I am 0. So memories cant happen. 

Exactly, you add up to zero as a self-contained system / mind / paradox. Eternal 0. Always now.

[Someone here]

Just now, justfortoday said:

I invite you to drop THAT fiction.

I have no fictions to drop.. "Mechanical universe" .. "consciousness universe".. What's the difference?  Both are fictions both are words.   Does me believing a certain narrative about what the hell is going on in reality going to change what the hell is going on in reality???  The sun will rise..your body will urge you to feed it and keep it safe.. And so on.. 

What you are suggesting is complete disidentification with everything humans conventional assume..it's not possible to live from that state of consciousness.. I'm not saying that what you said was wrong btw.. All I'm saying it's not so funny and useless to make these assumptions that you are laughing at..these assumptions are what is keeping you alive basically. 

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Absolute Nothing and also Absolute Love.

Not 2, only 1. 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Conceptually; it's nothing. Actually; it's Love ?

 Our finite minds can not conceive of Nothing of course.  Because anything we ponder is something.

[cnfvm]

9 minutes ago, justfortoday said:

Actually, no.

Your hand is an appearance happening inside consciousness. Objects aren't possible.

Only APPEARANCE is possible.

Your hand is not an object, that would imply it is separate from you. 

"Object" is just a label you are imagining right now to assign to ever-changing appearance within your experience.

dude objects=appareances

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's what i was eluding to - at the Absolute level - Pure Truth - nothing is happening.  This is nothing right now.  Because all form is imaginary and thus illusory.   Pure Truth is actually the collapse of all form or duality and becoming the present moment which is Absolute Nothing and also Absolute Love.

That is what is meant by you are God imagining you are a human.

if we are imagining us as humans, then imagining MAKES humans real. because there is nothing but imagining. therefor imagination=reality , the question is , if our imagination is consistent or not. therefor logic is valuable.

 

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am 0. So memories cant happen. But 0= infinite 

how do you remember how to write , right now? when did you learn how to write? do you remember when did you learn?

[Someone here]

@ivankiss let the love go and be completely free.. 

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

 

if we are imagining us as humans, then imagining MAKES humans real. because there is nothing but imagining. therefor imagination=reality 

Precisely!  Imagination is formed reality.  But that is different than ones definition of real being made of matter compared to being made of Absolute Nothing.  And on the Absolute level real and unreal ultmately collapse.  

15 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

The question is , if our imagination is consistent or not. therefor logic is valuable.

Can you elaborate?  No one ever said science or logic isn't valuable relatively speaking but it won't get you to Absolute Truth.

[Someone here]

@ivankiss it is indeed impossible to let something go because there's nothing to grasp at in the first place

.. The sooner you realize the better.. Instead of jumping from one delusion to higher quality delusions. 

"Love" is just a word.  L- o- v- e... Just shapes on a screen.

No don't tell me how deluded I am.. That's what that is. 

[James123]

16 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

how do you remember how to write , right now? when did you learn how to write? do you remember when did you learn?

Sounds, thoughts, visuals , feelings are identical as nothing. You just name them and label them thats how your so called life is existed. They created by nothingness and within nothingness. Nothing is nothing and simultaneously everything. Thats what have you become after passing gateless gate. Therefore every happening is you, because you are nothing. The sentences that you write, every word is actually identical. ? 

Edited July 19, 2020 by James123

[Inliytened1]

Have you guys who are getting tripped up on Love being equivalent to Nothing ever became pure Infinity?  If you blissed out for weeks on end that would mean you got a hit of Absolute Love.