Why Psychedelic Awakenings are Insight 'Experiences' and not Permanent Awakenings

[allislove]

9 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

How many trips have you had now? 100+? And 5000+ hours of meditation? Yet you’re still some guy stuck with his attachments, jerking off to pornhub. Maybe there are greater factors that play into awakening other than practice and psychedelics. Perhaps there’s a far bigger picture that has nothing to do with the individual.

That was funny. I like when someone doesn't try to comply with Leo. 

 

@Serotoninluv amazing analogy as usual, thank you. 

Edited October 13, 2019 by dimitri

[mandyjw]

7 hours ago, DrewNows said:

@mandyjwDon't assume anything unless you've taken a Psychedelic. I had no awakening during my first trip but they sure as hell rocked my world,

if i had not awakened, they'd have been the THING i feared the most in the entire world 

Basically they lead the ignorant to questioning more about what reality entails 

I'm not saying that you don't get permanent growth, awakening and insights from psychedelics, I'm saying that they allow you the luxury of being able to plan ahead and schedule a disruption to your life in and give you time to yourself to process it. 

Imagine that your perception of time, self and other is altered for days, you assume that it's going to last forever, but you have to maintain a tight schedule and are responsible for two little kids the entire time. 

The method that someone attributes to being responsible for "their" awakening will inevitably cause them to have biases as they struggle to understand it after the fact. There are many different circumstances that can cause someone to fully surrender and experience the truth of no self.

That's one way in which this forum is so incredibly valuable, who knows what potential there is to discover ways to help others awaken no matter what their position is in life. That's why it's so important not to disregard someone based on whether they did or did not take a psychedelic or practice a specific method. Everyone wants to assume that the trajectory or path of their own evolution can be used as a map for others. It can't, but bits and pieces of direction may be gleaned from it. 

[DrewNows]

@mandyjw Martin ball claims to have nondual tripped for months after his awakening through 5-MeO experience. His mind required several months of integrating the experience. I feel this is the danger of tripping as one who hasn’t awoken cannot possibly know what may result. He spoke of many couples who’d ended their relationships if only one of them had the experience. 
Martin actually facilitated and assisted others in having an awakening in their trips as a shaman. Not everyone was willing to surrender but many were energetically healed to enable a breakthrough, sometimes it took several trips 
I agree there’s definitely an unknown amount of integration to be had and many events/situations to trigger awakenings

[WaveInTheOcean]

18 hours ago, The Don said:

@Leo Gura, I find myself in a situation of fear to try Psychedelics.

I don't know what Psychedelics will offer. I just don't want to fall into a deep depression after I try Psychedelics.

If I try some Psychedelics and become more conscious, won't I get depressed?

Or if I'm going to try Psychedelics, won't I become a nihilist?

These are my sincere questions for you.

P.S: I've got a WARNING from @Natasha because I joked about "death" on a topic related to your booklist. Can I have that warning removed? Thank you.

Dude, do your own research . For example try google "psilocybin depression study" and you'll see that psychedelics in the right context has the potential to be 1000x stronger than tradtional anti-depressants in fighting depression.