Kriya Yoga Mega-Thread

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Well You say mahasamadhi is fantasy, others say it is not, whom to believe? 

I think when we term things as fantasy it can be misleading, our bodies and mind are not fantasy, non existent things, they exist but they are not what we are, but we still have to deal with it all, if You don't then trouble awaits, You have a grand experience either naturally or psychedelics and then come back from it, if You deny what is, "I have a Body and Mind" then it will rule You.,

So the process as described in the video, is how to deal with the Body, Mind, Emotions, Energy to get to a point of choosing to be here Embodied or not!

It doesn't boil down to "He's dead", it boils down to imo that You choose how to do it, as with all things in life, are You doing it consciously or unconsciously, dying consciously is wiser imo...

No one. If we admit that it's actually unknown and merely believed (in other words, it's hearsay passed down by other believers) then we should go with common sense - the lamest option, too commonplace to excite us in any way.

Besides common sense, critical thinking and factual accuracy are useful tools.

Oh yeah, if there's anything real about you in this sense, it's your body - I didn't mean to poo-poo that. Contrast that with your notions about it.

Fantasy is a broad domain. Anything based on hearsay or wishful thinking, I'd call fantasy. Most of spirituality, and certainly religion, falls into this. I'm not saying to use a philosophical system to ignore your experience; being grounded helps.

It reminds me of a quote from Krishnamurti - paraphrasing: "If people called it stretching instead of yoga, they wouldn't be so eager to undertake it." I suspect he's referring to Hatha Yoga, but the point stands: people are sometimes reluctant to call things by their plain name, preferring instead a feel-good belief system. The former is more empowering and real.

Sorry, I'm getting off-topic.

Edited 7 hours ago by UnbornTao

[TheSelf]

Yoga is a systematic approach towards transforming you in physical, mental and energetic manner so you can be ready to experience and sustain cosmic consciousness.

I do have a plan to study Patanjali's work to deepn my understanding regarding the whole system.

[Ishanga]

17 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

No one. If we admit that it's actually unknown and merely believed (In other words, it's hearsay passed down by other believers) then we should go with common sense - the lamest option, too commonplace to excite us in any way.

Besides common sense, critical thinking and factual accuracy are useful tools.

Oh yeah, if there's anything real about you in this sense, it's your body - I didn't mean to poo-poo that. Contrast that with your notions about it.

Fantasy is a broad domain. Anything based on hearsay or wishful thinking, I'd call fantasy. Most of spirituality, and certainly religion, falls into this. I'm not saying to use a philosophical system to ignore your experience; being grounded helps.

It reminds me of a quote from Krishnamurti - paraphrasing: "If people called it stretching instead of yoga, they wouldn't be so eager to undertake it." I suspect he's referring to 'Hatha Yoga' but the point is made.

I can agree on this, I am not saying those things in my post for anyone to believe it or disbelieve, rather ppl have to find out themselves Experientially, so know one can say yes this is truth or no this is not truth, we individually have to find out.. But Yoga has been around for thousands of Years, they say and relate their experiences and methods they used to find out the truth for themselves.

This is the problem with talking about Grand Things like Enlightenment, Death, God, and Absolute, and wanting concrete answers, its doesn't work that way at all, what we write here is not IT, concepts are not IT, but we can use methods to first make ourselves Peaceful of our own nature, then from that solid foundation, we can go further and Explore what they have said in the past to find out if it is True or not..

Or one can continue to live they way they are, suffer today, feel good tomorrow, listen to other ppl, search for drama to feel their hearts beat, have kids, work to Your 80 then die, maybe to do it all over again or nothingness,,,

 

[Ishanga]

20 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Yoga is a systematic approach towards transforming you in physical, mental and energetic manner so you can be ready to experience and sustain cosmic consciousness.

I do have a plan to study Patanjali's work to deepn my understanding regarding the whole system.

Its a complete time tested methodology and science, today science is just finding out how powerful simple Mindfulness is, never mind the depths of what the Yogic Science has to offer.. From what I understand Yoga has found 80,000 different aspects to the Mind, the basic 4 are Intellect, Identity, Memory and Chitta or Consciousness, so its a complete investigation into what it means to be Human, via trial and error over the thousands of years its been around!!

[TheSelf]

11 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Its a complete time tested methodology and science, today science is just finding out how powerful simple Mindfulness is, never mind the depths of what the Yogic Science has to offer.. From what I understand Yoga has found 80,000 different aspects to the Mind, the basic 4 are Intellect, Identity, Memory and Chitta or Consciousness, so its a complete investigation into what it means to be Human, via trial and error over the thousands of years its been around!!

Yeah,

And modern human just don't care...

chasing after hedonism as it's all that life offers, not giving a damn about understanding one's self and consciousness.

At this century the work that people are doing regarding spreading yoga as a means to spread consciousness is nothing IMO.

Edited 7 hours ago by TheSelf

[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Yeah,

And modern human just don't care...

chasing after hedonism as it's all that life offers, not giving a damn about understanding one's self and consciousness.

At this century the work that people are doing regarding spreading yoga as a means to spread consciousness is nothing IMO.

Yes Agreed!

I've learned that life comes down to a simple equation, its the "Avoidance of Pain, and the Gaining of Pleasure", it seems simple, but we are all applying this equation to every action we take.. Just posting here, replying, ppl are either avoiding pain or gaining pleasure from it, then if they investigate further as to why posting/replying does one or the other, they would find out more about themselves, more Perception is revealed, but they won't do that, it takes too much work and inner discovery, its easier to just post, reply, say dumb things, and go on, so we have to delve deeply into what makes us tick, what it means to be Human and how far we can go in life beyond this equation, beyond survival/accumulation processes and see where it can lead too!

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

I can agree on this, I am not saying those things in my post for anyone to believe it or disbelieve, rather ppl have to find out themselves Experientially, so know one can say yes this is truth or no this is not truth, we individually have to find out.. But Yoga has been around for thousands of Years, they say and relate their experiences and methods they used to find out the truth for themselves.

This is the problem with talking about Grand Things like Enlightenment, Death, God, and Absolute, and wanting concrete answers, its doesn't work that way at all, what we write here is not IT, concepts are not IT, but we can use methods to first make ourselves Peaceful of our own nature, then from that solid foundation, we can go further and Explore what they have said in the past to find out if it is True or not..

Okay, sounds good.

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Or one can continue to live they way they are, suffer today, feel good tomorrow, listen to other ppl, search for drama to feel their hearts beat, have kids, work to Your 80 then die, maybe to do it all over again or nothingness,,,

You'll live how you live regardless of whatever practices you may take up, but your point is clear.