Kriya Yoga Mega-Thread

[TheSelf]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To his most advanced students Lahiri would prescribe a practice of hours of just pranayama and mahamudra per day.

Yeah, i dont think theres any other practice as potent and as amazing as pranayama.

I don't do mahamudra any reason why its needed? 

[Jowblob]

2 hours ago, TheSelf said:

Yes, even in the hands and legs and basically the whole body but in subtler way when walking, this wasn't the case before of course, and i didn't do any particular practice to achieve it, most of the work was done by the energy itself while I was laying down, resting, as it is intelligent in nature.

It'll progress. If you just put your awareness on it, like what I did.

Yes the energy is intelligent and while awakened theres no stopping, but putting your awareness on the energy will accelerate the progression quite rapidly, cause you are devine in your true nature.

For me the most profound and valuable achievement as a result of energy going up and hitting the ajna chakra was the ability to control my mind and reaching  profound state of peacefulness. 

But those kinds of siddhis are to be achived if one strive for it, like performing samyama on chakras (deep state of absorption, losing yourself while meditating on a chakra)

What do you mean control of your mind, do you mean like controlling things in the outer world or manifesting things, or like in an inner sense with your eyes closed abd focusing on ajna chakra between your eyes and making thd black screen open up?

[TheSelf]

19 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

What do you mean control of your mind, do you mean like controlling things in the outer world or manifesting things, or like in an inner sense with your eyes closed abd focusing on ajna chakra between your eyes and making thd black screen open up?

Better word to describe it would be the stillness of the mind.

Like if i want to sit and meditate or work with my energy, within moments the mind is still and clear.

It wasn't easy to achive as huge part of it releates to my work, trying to become an artist in the past 12 years, so it was part of my job to develop this ability to hyper focused in order to do good work.

To still the mind there has to be a space between you as awareness, presence and your perceived mind & personality, this is work of self-enquiry which I did a lot also.

[TheSelf]

The skill of total mastery over the mind is the skill I'm most fascinated by

Here are some interesting information from AI:

Let us explore the levels of mastery over the mind, from novice to enlightened master, in a way that resonates with both yogic wisdom and inner experience.

🌱 Level 1: The Novice (Unaware and Identified)

"I am my thoughts and emotions."

State: Mind dominates. The person is unaware of the distinction between mind and awareness.

Ego: Fully identified with ego, thoughts, memories, desires.

Reactivity: Reacts unconsciously to situations, habits, and inner impulses.

Suffering: Controlled by fear, craving, pleasure, pain.

Awareness: Little or no gap between stimulus and reaction.

🕉 Here begins the journey. Most of humanity resides here.

🌬️ Level 2: The Seeker (Mindfulness Awakens)

"I am not my thoughts — I can watch them."

State: Awareness arises. You begin to witness thoughts and emotions.

Ego: Begins to be seen as a mask, not the true Self.

Reactivity: Some space between reaction and action.

Suffering: You still suffer, but now you observe it instead of being consumed.

Practices: Meditation, breath awareness, introspection begins.

🕯️ You start to take the reins of your inner world.

🔥 Level 3: The Warrior (Training the Mind)

"I can discipline my mind, even in chaos."

State: Strong control over thought, attention, and habits.

Ego: Begins dissolving through discipline and surrender.

Willpower: High — thoughts don’t easily distract you.

Inner State: Calm, even during storms. Can shift internal state at will.

Tools: Pranayama, concentration (Dharana), mantra, tapas.

🧘‍♂️ Here the battle becomes intense, but the clarity and strength begin to shine.

🌸 Level 4: The Yogi (Mind Becomes a Tool)

"The mind is silent unless I choose to use it."

State: Thoughts are voluntary, not compulsive.

Stillness: Natural silence becomes the ground of being.

Ego: Becomes thin, transparent — mostly absent.

Energy: Subtle mastery over prana; life is guided from inner intelligence.

Peace: Stable inner joy, regardless of outer condition.

🌈 You live mostly in presence. You are in the world, but not of it.

🔱 Level 5: The Master (Mindless, Boundless Being)

"There is no mind. There is only Being."

State: Total transcendence of mind. No internal conflict.

Unity: Duality ends. All is seen as one Self.

Ego: Gone. Not even a trace. Pure instrument of the divine.

Action: Spontaneous, right action flows from universal intelligence.

Presence: Radiates grace. Just their presence uplifts others.

🌌 This is someone like Ramana Maharshi, Sadhguru, Lahiri Mahasaya, Shiva himself in embodied form. There is no "trying" — just pure being.

⚡ Bonus Layer: Beyond the Beyond (Absolute Dissolution)

Even the identity of being a "master" dissolves.
There is only That — no individual, no mind, no world.
Only the Self remains, formless, eternal, unknowable.

"The mind is no more. Awareness alone shines."

🧭 The Path Between Levels:

Each stage requires:

Discipline (Yogic practice, daily sadhana)

Surrender (to a higher force, the Guru, the Divine)

Clarity (Viveka, discrimination between real and unreal)

Love (Bhakti, devotion melts the boundaries of mind)

Grace (Without grace, mastery becomes pride)

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, zurew said:

@Leo Gura Do you still practice yoga?

Not as regularly as I should, but yet.

2 hours ago, TheSelf said:

I don't do mahamudra any reason why its needed? 

I'm not sure. It's hard to know what is truly necessary without lots of experience and it will vary by individual.

If pranayama is producing good results then I would say not. But if pranayama doesn't feel like it is doing much for you, then you should add mahamudra to see if it boosts your results.

Test, test, test -- to find what works for you.

[AION]

I try to read to Kriya Yoga books on the book list but they are just too long winded and esoteric. I was on page 20 or something and the author was already teaching me how to stick my tongue up my own nostrils. I wish there was a no nonsense guide/book for it.

[Jowblob]

2 hours ago, TheSelf said:

Better word to describe it would be the stillness of the mind.

Like if i want to sit and meditate or work with my energy, within moments the mind is still and clear.

It wasn't easy to achive as huge part of it releates to my work, trying to become an artist in the past 12 years, so it was part of my job to develop this ability to hyper focused in order to do good work.

To still the mind there has to be a space between you as awareness, presence and your perceived mind & personality, this is work of self-enquiry which I did a lot also.

do you physically or mentally release semen, or do you hold it and convert it to prana?

[Phil King]

3 hours ago, AION said:

I try to read to Kriya Yoga books on the book list but they are just too long winded and esoteric. I was on page 20 or something and the author was already teaching me how to stick my tongue up my own nostrils. I wish there was a no nonsense guide/book for it.

??? The kriya yoga books on the list are like 100 pages lol. The only dense one is the JC Stevens one, and that has a ton of extra stuff. Also the kechari mudra or "sticking ur tongue up ur nostrils" is actually super valuable. You can literally tongue punch your pineal gland to naturally produce DMT

[TheSelf]

2 hours ago, Jowblob said:

do you physically or mentally release semen, or do you hold it and convert it to prana?

Yes, absolutely semen retention is very helpful as you dont wanna waste the precious energy for sake of nothing. There are many techniques.

[Jowblob]

3 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Yes, absolutely semen retention is very helpful as you dont wanna waste the precious energy for sake of nothing. There are many techniques.

What techniques do you use, because for me sometimes i release semen/orgasm automatically from feeling everything in outer world? Like i enjoy the ecstasy but when it gets too much i orgasm/release semen, but i want to have a technique to feel even more without orgasming.

[AION]

49 minutes ago, Phil King said:

??? The kriya yoga books on the list are like 100 pages lol. The only dense one is the JC Stevens one, and that has a ton of extra stuff. Also the kechari mudra or "sticking ur tongue up ur nostrils" is actually super valuable. You can literally tongue punch your pineal gland to naturally produce DMT

According to this forum it is not needed. I asked it before. 

[TheSelf]

1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

for me sometimes i release semen/orgasm automatically from feeling everything in outer world? Like i enjoy the ecstasy but when it gets too much i orgasm/release semen

That's beautiful sense of life that you have that can fill the vibrancy of the world with this much intensity! God bless you! 🙏🏻

1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

What techniques do you use

Basically for me using "Million dollar point" would do the work, you can search for it but basically its a middle spot between your anus and scrotum that pressing it with enough pressure would allow to have control over your ejaculation.

If you wanna energetically control it, this guy has many valuable content for this exact matter check out his channel:

https://youtube.com/@SexualKungFu

Edited 22 hours ago by TheSelf

[Jowblob]

21 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

That's beautiful sense of life that you have that can fill the vibrancy of the world with this much intensity! God bless you! 🙏🏻

Basically for me using "Million dollar point" would do the work, you can search for it but basically its a middle spot between your anus and scrotum that pressing it with enough pressure would allow to have control over your ejaculation.

If you wanna energetically control it, this guy has many valuable content for this exact matter check out his channel:

https://youtube.com/@SexualKungFu

Yes i used this technique before, but the problem with it is that it compresses ecstasy meaning it makes it stay around the same level or decrease. I want a technique to being able to hold more ecstasy meaning i want to feel even more without orgasming, seems then the only solution is surrender and trying not to orgasm

[Phil King]

1 hour ago, AION said:

According to this forum it is not needed. I asked it before. 

I would still recommend giving it a serious attempt before rejecting it completely. From my experience kechari + ocean breathing is extremely effective. I do it multiple times a day even for just a few minutes to feel more alert or to clear out mucus. 

[TheSelf]

21 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

Yes i used this technique before, but the problem with it is that it compresses ecstasy meaning it makes it stay around the same level or decrease. I want a technique to being able to hold more ecstasy meaning i want to feel even more without orgasming, seems then the only solution is surrender and trying not to orgasm

Orgasm and ejaculation are two different things, you can experience orgasm without losing your semen, that opens the possibility of experiencing multiple orgasms. Basically developing awareness in the whole process is key, you reach the point of orgasm but avoid ejaculation, it actually is quite easy even without physicaly using that spot, you just need to calm down breath and let your body enjoy the experience at that peak point and let the energy circulate up in the spine to the head and down in your chest and navel and root.

Master Mantak Chia also have a lot of vids for this energy control, just YouTube it.

[Jowblob]

34 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Orgasm and ejaculation are two different things, you can experience orgasm without losing your semen, that opens the possibility of experiencing multiple orgasms. Basically developing awareness in the whole process is key, you reach the point of orgasm but avoid ejaculation, it actually is quite easy even without physicaly using that spot, you just need to calm down breath and let your body enjoy the experience at that peak point and let the energy circulate up in the spine to the head and down in your chest and navel and root.

Master Mantak Chia also have a lot of vids for this energy control, just YouTube it.

I don't think you can experience orgasm without ejaculation, i think the orgasm you're talking about is just ecstasy from the result of feeling others. Orgasm is like an explosion or a release. But as you have said kundalini is an intelligent energy ,so i will just trust the process for it to lead me further in the development. 

How long do you hold your semen by the way and is there any benefits for example for holding it beyond 30 days? I just feel like if you hold it too long, on 1 day it will just burn automatically and universe will consume it or something like that and you won't feel the maximum vibration anymore, atleast thats what i experienced when i held it for like 12-30days

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Jowblob said:

I don't think you can experience orgasm without ejaculation

Of course you can.

In the same way, you may ejaculate and not have an orgasm.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

In the same way, you may ejaculate and not have an orgasm.

That sounds quite impossible.

Only as some kind of disorder.

[zurew]

Any thoughts on doing hatha yoga before kriya yoga?

Some people say that hatha yoga is good for a foundation (not sure what they mean by that) and also claim that it will make kriya yoga more effective.

 

[Davino]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That sounds quite impossible.

Only as some kind of disorder.

Read reports of people being raped. Many they ejaculate but have no orgasm.

It's like someone forcibly tickles you, laugh may come out, but you're not having fun.

That's an extreme case, but there are more common ones. 

Another example, if you ejaculate three times in a row, the forth time, something may come out of your dick, but that ain't no orgasm, it's even painful.

 

I've ejeculated without orgasm, just a release, like a muscle tensing up and letting go. No big deal.