Are enlightened peopled viewed as a threat by society?

[MarkusSweden]

Truth is something very easy for every human to access. It's so simple and obvious that it actually takes hard work and dedication not to realise "truth", which is nothing more then a deep existential connection and involvement with life in a happy and peaceful way

Have societies build a system that prevent us to see that? The very construction of society needs you to transcend your love and become afraid and egotistical. Those are the required traits in order to fit in or adapt. You can't really penetrate or have traction on society without those traits. 

Here's what some respectable people in the fields of spirituality, science and art have to say about it.

Leo Gura - "30 Ways Society Fucks You In The Ass" (link below) 

Mooji - "It's almost as the entire human race freely eat depression pills" (this was a statement regarding how most people in societies live there lives) 

Eckhart Tolle - Eckhart got the question - " Are we judging if we say that society are toxic and crazy?" Answer: "No!"

Osho - "No society want you to become wise, it's against the investment of all societies, if people are wise, they can not be exploited" 

Einstein - "“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” (He referring to how people in societies acts) 

Janis Joplin - "They laughed me out of town, they laughed me out of texas" (Respond to her dedication for love and truth trough music) 

Bob Dylan - "They viewed me certainly not as a sing/song writer, I was more like a kind of threat to society in some kind of way" (Regarding the discrepancy between how he viewed himself and the societies view of him. His fans loves him for the truths they believe are to find in his lyrics/songs which also result in noble price  for 2016.)

These are just a FEW tiny examples. 

Are societies afraid of truth, wisdom and enlightened people? 

Regards

Markus 

 

[MarkusSweden]

Here's the longer quote from Osho btw, I just quoted the first sentence in OP.

 

“No society wants you to become wise: it is against the investment of all societies. If people are wise they cannot be exploited. If they are intelligent they cannot be subjugated, they cannot be forced in a mechanical life, to live like robots. They will assert their individuality. They will have the fragrance of rebellion around them. They will like to live in freedom. Freedom comes with wisdom, intrinsically. They are inseparable, and no society wants people to be free. The communist society, the fascist society, the capitalist society, the Hindu, the Mohammedan, the Christian — no society — would like people to use their own intelligence because the moment they start using their intelligence they become dangerous — dangerous to the establishment, dangerous to the people who are in power, dangerous to the ‘haves’; dangerous to all kinds of oppression, exploitation, suppression; dangerous to the churches, dangerous to the states, dangerous to the nations. In fact, a wise man is afire, alive, aflame. But he cannot sell his life, he cannot serve them. He would like rather to die than to be enslaved.” ~Osho

[Nahm]

There isn’t even a we. There isn’t even two. Their is One, and an illusion of society. It actually is, how you see it. I wouldn’t go down the, ‘it’s out to get me if I become enlightened’ road. Maya is much more subtly mindfucking than is imaginable. It doesn’t even whisper. So sneaky. 

[MarkusSweden]

1 minute ago, Nahm said:

There isn’t even a we. There isn’t even two. Their is One, and an illusion of society. It actually is, how you see it. I wouldn’t go down the, ‘it’s out to get me if I become enlightened’ road. Maya is much more subtly mindfucking than is imaginable. It doesn’t even whisper. So sneaky. 

Very true, that mindset of "‘it’s out to get me if I become enlightened’ road can't be a good one for anyone or any part. 

But there is also a saying that says "You must know the rules before you can break them"

So, I guess it can be good to understand how society(which is an illusion) works, in order to stay detached from it in a some way. 

[Nahm]

@MarkusSweden It’s impossible to express something with love in a forum, so I will blatantly say, I offer this with love....but....you, in your last comment, just did the thing I’m pointing at. THAT is how convincing the illusion is. It’s like you’re saying, oh ok, it’s an illusion, makes sense, so it’s how I look at it. BINGO. 

And then taking that away from yourself by going from the heart back to the brain, and justifying the perspective you held in the first place, negating your own expansion. The truth is, there is only you. 

A person said “You must know the rules before you can break them”. 

That person, is YOUR illusion. There is no person who ever said that. That is you saying that right now. All that surrounds you right now, is actually an illusion. You, are the attention. What ever you want more of, simply place your attention on it, and let go of resistant thinking about it. Want to live in a society which presents you with disadvantages as you become enlightened? You can, but you will not become enlightened. Some paradoxes bend us over, and we don’t even know we’re fucking ourselves. ❤️

 

[Nahm]

This would be like listening to Jim Croce sing “There never seems to be enough time, to do the things we wanna do, once we find them”, and thinking man that is deeply moving, and a little sad. Just how time passes. How short life is. 

And completely missing that Jim IS literally doing the thing he wants to do. It’s the pointing at the moon thing. 

[MarkusSweden]

15 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@MarkusSweden It’s impossible to express something with love in a forum, so I will blatantly say, I offer this with love....but....you, in your last comment, just did the thing I’m pointing at. THAT is how convincing the illusion is. It’s like you’re saying, oh ok, it’s an illusion, makes sense, so it’s how I look at it. BINGO. 

And then taking that away from yourself by going from the heart back to the brain, and justifying the perspective you held in the first place, negating your own expansion. The truth is, there is only you. 

A person said “You must know the rules before you can break them”. 

That person, is YOUR illusion. There is no person who ever said that. That is you saying that right now. All that surrounds you right now, is actually an illusion. You, are the attention. What ever you want more of, simply place your attention on it, and let go of resistant thinking about it. Want to live in a society which presents you with disadvantages as you become enlightened? You can, but you will not become enlightened. Some paradoxes bend us over, and we don’t even know we’re fucking ourselves. ❤️

 

I rest my case! I see what you are telling me! Basically a rant against myself!  

 

[Nahm]

@MarkusSweden lol! It’s a beautiful freedom. I like how Zack de la Rocha states it, “Now you’re under control, now you do what they told ya.” And the heart melting, mind blowing resolve......

“Fuck you. I won’t do what you tell me.”

 

[Monkey-man]

Mind that more than half of the world lives in either hunger and poverty or in oppression by traditions and governments

In such conditions you don't really have access to youtube to listen to Leo talks about enlightenment

But wealthy and 'liberal' world is moving towards inner peace, hence enlightenment, with huge speed coz outer things often couldn't provide that

For those who are threatened by it, its not problem with society but with its paradigm

if masses are educated to understand such things like paradigms, beliefs, non-duality, ego from early age

then ppl would pursue truth coz everyone wanna have good life

[Nahm]

@Monkey-man smells like a life purpose. 

[alyra]

enlightened people aren't a threat to society. 

 

 

enlightenment and self-development are both endeavors that require understanding how exponential growth works in order to trust. On top of that they are big-picture theoretical, as well as spiritual/philosophical/psychological in nature, which are both things that results-oriented fact-and-logic-oriented western culture has a hard time trusting. 

Additionally, the western culture is more commonly about hard work and traditional values associated with success, which intrinsically biases most members of our society towards grinding through the thick of life through brute force alone. 

 

 

 

As such, people in our cultures are usually predisposed to dislike and distrust the theory and explanations and processes behind enlightenment and/or self-development. 

 

 

and naturally, it will not help the matter when most people who undergo spiritual journey go through several stages of hidden ego (ego in the traditional sense, not the higher/lower consciousness sense) where they believe they have removed themselves from cockiness and superiority complexes, and pull the cliche "Jesus saved my soul you need to love Jesus too" trope that every single human detests because of its intrinsic invasive social context, wherein the listener's perspective, life, and values are completely ignored and disrespected due to the speaker's annoyingly persistent insistence that their way is the right way. 

 

 

If you wish to connect to people, subvert your preconceptions about enlightenment and instead seek the value of listening to other humans and respecting and accepting who they are. Realize the conundrum in which you need empathy to connect to others in a more authentic way, however empathy does not truly exist as it is nothing but assumption, interpretation, and projecting one's own experiences onto another. To connect to a person in an enlightened way is more effective when you target your growth towards the pursuit of accepting them, trusting them, listening to them, remembering what they have said, and once you do that enough to actually have legitimate trust in your assumptions about who they are (rather than what you currently believe is trust in that aspect) - even then you still defer to who they are for their sake over what you want/believe them to be. You never know what is right for them. You can only ever know acceptance of- and trust in them. 

 

 

This can be done whilst also pursuing enlightenment of your own ego (in the consciousness sense) but as long as you consider others low-consciousness and as long as you expect them to love your life for their sake, you still have work to do to transcend that limiting ego of yours. 

[Forestluv]

whenever I mention creating artificially intelligent beings with higher conscious levels than themself, people find it very threatening. Even if they were guarenteed humans would not be harmed.

Everyone wants to feel at the top of the food chain. I’d imagine a minority would admire an enlightened being and the majority would be repulsed.

Do you think an enlightened being could be elected as president? I seriously doubt it in the US.

[MarkusSweden]

6 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

 

Do you think an enlightened being could be elected as president? I seriously doubt it in the US.

No way! Look at Trump for example! He's not sensitive, not very intelligent, far from enlightened, he doesn't even know of the concept of enlightenment. 

But he is the greatest president since ww2. Probably the greatest president ever!  

Why? Because he genuinely want the good for the people. It's not power or money that motivates him, it's about doing good in the world, in US particular. Just look at his non aggression relation with russia. Establishment hates that. They wants us to believe in enemies, otherwise their power is threatened.  

Sometimes he lie, you have to do that in the game of politics. But it's not the lies he's hated for, it's the truts he says from time to time. That is why he is slaughtered by establishment and media. They would never allow truth and heart into top politics. 

Trump is hated in the whole world by establishments. Just look at the state of union speech he gave a few days ago. Criticised all over the world in media. The reasons jobs are created and at the record time low, just as black employment is at record time low is just because his genuin intentions, this is not about personal carrier, he had all of that.

And he certainly don't care about more money at this stage, he has to have an income by the rule of law, so he demanded a one dollar/year income. They are threatened by truth and dignity. Harmless or self-absorbed people are never hated by media, the truth and honest intentions - That's what is hated.

I don't glorify Trump, not fan of him at all, just look at my first sentence. But compare to others in this field, Hilary for example, he is an angel.

Imagine if a truly enlightened politician comes along, no way that could happened. He would never be allowed any power what so ever. And if he/she happen to get it, that person would probably be killed. 

It's not love and wisdom that rule the world. It's violence, lies, power and money. War is nothing but profitable games for power and money interests. But people are brainwashed to believe otherwise. Irak war was necessary because of their weapons of mass destruction. No such weapon existed though, and no proof of them either. Just one example. 

Here's a happy Hillary giggling about the horrific torture and murder of Gadaffi in the streets of Libya. Enjoy. 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2018 by MarkusSweden

[Kserkkj]

@MarkusSweden

Hi Friend,

There Are Varying Relative Degrees Of Trueness In The Expression Of TRUTH.

My Friend, Truth Cannot Be Grasped. Truth Cannot Be SEEN. Truth Cannot Be MENDED. Truth Cannot Be MIND. Truth Cannot Be YOU. Truth IS. TRUTH IS MENTAL IN IT'S EXPRESSION. Truth Is Bingo In It's TRANSMUTED FORMS. TRUTH Transcended Itself. Truth Is What Is And What Is Not. Truth Is the Mind-Nothing-Mind (Everything And Enything And Everything). 

Truth Is LOVE. TRUTH IS PEACE. TRUTH IS The Tranquility beyond The Tranquility Beyond Silence. Truth Is Me. Truth Is My (My = consciousness) MOTHER. Truth Beloved Truth. Truth Is The MIND within The mind. Truth Is Allness Within ALLNESS. 

Edited February 2, 2018 by Kserkkj

[MarkusSweden]

@Kserkkj Love that! Thank you! 

[Leo Gura]

If mainstream society is a snail. Enlightenment is the salt.

The good news for enlightened people is that no one takes them seriously anyhow. They too busy chasing sex, money, religion, fame, power, food, technology, and entertainment to care about metaphysics.

Meta-what??

Where are my Cheetos?!! Where is my porn?!! Where is my Bible?!! Where is my Game Of Thrones??!! Where is my stock market??!! Where is my iPhone??!!

[MarkusSweden]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If mainstream society is a snail. Enlightenment is the salt.

The good news for enlightened people is that no one takes them seriously anyhow. They too busy chasing sex, money, religion, fame, power, food, technology, and entertainment to care about metaphysics.

Meta-what??

Where are my Cheetos?!! Where is my porn?!! Where is my Bible?!! Where is my Game Of Thrones??!! Where is my stock market??!! Where is my iPhone??!!

Haha, that's true!   

 

[Samra]

9 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

 

Do you think an enlightened being could be elected as president? I seriously doubt it in the US.

I don't think enlightened beings would even consider becoming a president in the first place. In my opinion, at least for the moment, only very deluded people seek such an amount of power and control. But who knows. Maybe someone in a very high stage of hierarchy (green or higher) sees a good enough reason.  

I am planning a comic book, where the "rulers" or "leaders", are enlightened beings, and what that would look like. I haven't figure out the plot, or any arcs yet though. Its been very challenging. Im constantly being shifted in my own perspective. What i thought was true 6 months ago is no longer the case. 

And yeah , i do think having a certain higher perspective is a threat to certain organisations.  From personal experience, I am having trouble at work with higher ups, and Im not even one minuscule close to being enlightened. I just try to be open minded, and even that is causing conflict. And I am a freaking artist, in a technology sector!  Cant imagine what other work places look like. 

 

[MarkusSweden]

9 minutes ago, Samra said:

I don't think enlightened beings would even consider becoming a president in the first place. In my opinion, at least for the moment, only very deluded people seek such an amount of power and control. But who knows. Maybe someone in a very high stage of hierarchy (green or higher) sees a good enough reason.  

I am planning a comic book, where the "rulers" or "leaders", are enlightened beings, and what that would look like. I haven't figure out the plot, or any arcs yet though. Its been very challenging. Im constantly being shifted in my own perspective. What i thought was true 6 months ago is no longer the case. 

And yeah , i do think having a certain higher perspective is a threat to certain organisations.  From personal experience, I am having trouble at work with higher ups, and Im not even one minuscule close to being enlightened. I just try to be open minded, and even that is causing conflict. And I am a freaking artist, in a technology sector!  Cant imagine what other work places look like. 

 

Good luck with your book project, great idea. Actually, that book would describe a world as it "should" be, and paradoxically, that world would be considered as absurd or funny, when the really absurd world is the one we're living in! Almost a meta-comic project!  

 

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Samra said:

Do you think an enlightened being could be elected as president? I seriously doubt it in the US.

We would be extremely lucky to get a stage Green President. Right now we got a stage Red thug.

If we get a stage Green President, he/she will be demonized to no limit as a bleeding heart social justice warrior and Communist.