Why is there so much hate in Europe and North America against Muslims?

[Karmadhi]

Hello

I have noticed an insane amount of hatred online and even by real people, including politicans towards Islam and Muslims

What I find weird is that they blame everything on the religion instead of the individual country or culture

For example, if X nation's population has a higher crime rate, then they will say "islam strikes again"

As if Islam promotes theft, rape, murder or other crimes

They never look at the socio-economic factors or the national situation of these countries but basically blame it all on religion

This is wrong for many reasons

1. Some of the safest countries in the world are hardcore muslim nations like UAE, Saudi or Qatar

2. You have nationalities or groups from non Muslim nations that also can perform more crimes per capita than non Muslim nations but they get sweeped under the rug

3. There is no clear teachings in Islam to promote crimes, things like theft, rape or murder are heavily punished in Islamic rules.

4. A lot of the people who do bad things are not even proper religious, they will for example do a crime while drunk which is anti muslim.

5. For some reason other religions get a pass. Hindus are not for example ever called terrorists even though they have done terrorisms. Same for Jews and Christians.

I am personally not religious but i do have many muslim friends in the West and some have told me they feel unsafe due to this hatred and climate.

They are not radicals or anything like that, very law abiding chill people.

What do you guys think?

Edited 22 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Raze]

Lower developed stages are prone to fixating on minorities on the source of problems or projecting their goals into them.

In the US there was a wave of this due to 9/11 and other attacks, and in Europe resentment over Muslims being many of the immigrants who increasingly moved there.

Governments also exploit this to get the population on their side to expand foreign operations for geopolitical gains. Similar thing happened dealing with native Americans, Japanese, Vietnamese, when their countries were targets. 

[enchanted]

Its hard to be accept because we consider the modern world advanced but I think it's generational hatred and the ingrained/learned fear of someone different. The Abrahamic religions have been hating each other since they started. Even Muslims of different sects hate each other. Protestants and Catholics have been killing each other for years. 

We get shocked by Hitler actions but, did you know that when Genghis Khan invaded Europe, the Christians started burning the Jews alive in an effort to find some to blame? Compared to history, Hitler isn't that crazy or unique and neither is today's bigotry. 

This shit goes back centuries and it's still with us today. Just like our cuisine and language is inherited from 1000s of years ago, so is our hate. 

Edited 21 hours ago by enchanted

[Schahin]

Muslims are the new Jews and I'd we dint watch out another Holocaust could happen.

Fascist parties are on the rise and a Naziparty is currently smtge strongest in Germany. 

The future is dark and the only way is to retreat to inner values because the palestinian genocide showed us how hypocritical western countries are when they keep talking about human rights

[Karmadhi]

Thank you for your replies

A few additional points

I noticed in Europe, the political people tend to care more when Christians die than Muslims, even within Europe itself

Examples:

Bosnia and Chechnya war were largely ignored by Europe, Russia was literally called a good partner while they were doing horrific things in Chechnya

Meanwhile when Christians in Ukraine start getting killed they flip out in outrage, even though you can argue Russia was more brutal to Chechens than Ukranians. 

Only intervention was Kosovo and there it was mostly USA and somewhat UK, the rest were dragged into it and probably wouldnt have intervened if USA did not want to.

Not to mention Muslims outside Europe like Palestine, Yemen etc (almost 0 damn given unless there are massive protests to put pressure)

So even within Europeans, Muslim Europeans lives matter less in historical terms

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Ulax]

All the high-profile terrorist attacks

[Schahin]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

Thank you for your replies

A few additional points

I noticed in Europe, the political people tend to care more when Christians die than Muslims, even within Europe itself

Examples:

Bosnia and Chechnya war were largely ignored by Europe, Russia was literally called a good partner while they were doing horrific things in Chechnya

Meanwhile when Christians in Ukraine start getting killed they flip out in outrage, even though you can argue Russia was more brutal to Chechens than Ukranians. 

Only intervention was Kosovo and there it was mostly USA and somewhat UK, the rest were dragged into it and probably wouldnt have intervened if USA did not want to.

Not to mention Muslims outside Europe like Palestine, Yemen etc (almost 0 damn given unless there are massive protests to put pressure)

So even within Europeans, Muslim Europeans lives matter less in historical terms

 

 

When Russia put Syria to ashes in a 14 year long Civil war, which would have never happened without Putin, the European Union was Russias strongest bussiness partner with literally 0 Sanctions in place.

But when Putin invaded Ucraine suddenly he became this bloodthirsty monster that nobody knew about and now he has 25 sanction packets, how does he dare invading a country with white people.

The European Union seriously gives 0 damn about PAlestine, everyday at least one child is burning  or being buried alive there through bombardments and they are still the strongest partners of Israel, not even considering the weapon exports to Saudi Arabia helping in their Yemen War.

European countries are the most hypocritical and nasty countries there are. Accept the truth

Edited 17 hours ago by Schahin

[Karmadhi]

16 minutes ago, Ulax said:

All the high-profile terrorist attacks

There were terrorist attacks in Spain, UK, Ireland etc done by seperatist groups which were christian yet nobody blamed all christians for it

 

[Karmadhi]

1 minute ago, Schahin said:

But when Putin invaded Ucraine suddenly he became this bloodthirsty monster that nobody knew about and now he has 25 sanction packets, how does he dare invading a country with white people.

It is not just white or not

It is religion too

Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya are white yet less fucks given because muslim

You need to be white and christian

[Schahin]

19 minutes ago, Ulax said:

All the high-profile terrorist attacks

 

Yes the countless terrorist attacks by europeans themselves are not even mentioned for more than a day. Just two days ago a polish right wing extremist killed 6 people, how much have you heard about it and how bloated does it become in the news in the coming days or weeks?

There are countless terrorist attacks by Europeans themselves, the difference is they dont get talked about and bloated up like when its done by an immigrant

Edited 17 hours ago by Schahin

[Karmadhi]

4 minutes ago, Schahin said:

he European Union seriously gives 0 damn about PAlestine, everyday at least one child is burning  or being buried alive there through bombardments and they are still the strongest partners of Israel, not even considering the weapon exports to Saudi Arabia helping in their Yemen War.

European countries are very strange in this regard

On one side their foreign policy and overall sentiment gives little care to non white non christians but on the same time, they allow in tons of refugees, allow them to get citizenship, vote and provide support.

For example Germany with Syrians

They are Mother Theresa when it comes to internal policy but quite heartless when it comes to foreign policy.

Pardox in a way.

Edited 17 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Schahin]

12 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

For example Germany with Syrians

 

Germany let in all the Syrians in because Angela Merkel was the chancellor and she was the daughter of a christian priest who taught her Love Your Neighbour, but now the Anti Muslim and Anti Syrian propaganda by the majority of politicians in Germany is at its highest. 

The AFD which is a party that inhabits many Neonazis, who celebrate Adolf Hitler, is currently the strongest party  in Germany.

Western hypocrisy at its finest.

[Basman]

A lot of non-whites moved in within a relatively short time frame, undermining cultural unity. It's ethnic. People became insecure about their country's border being secure.

Muslims don't separate church and state to the same degree. That is a fundamental ideological difference.

Terrorism.

[Schahin]

13 hours ago, Basman said:

A lot of non-whites moved in within a relatively short time frame, undermining cultural unity. It's ethnic. People became insecure about their country's border being secure.

Muslims don't separate church and state to the same degree. That is a fundamental ideological difference.

Terrorism.

 

Hatred against Muslims has existed since 1000 years ago when Europeans went 11 times to Palestine to kill the people there.

Like they kill Palestinians today but not themselves in a direct crusade but in an indirect crusade with arming Israel to their teeth and letting them do the crusade.

There are as many terrorists that are non-white as there are whites. The difference is that the Muslim terrorists get bloated up for weeks and the white terrorists just appear for a day or two in the news

[Schizophonia]

It’s the religion the most correlated with a dogmatic, belligerent, and generally underdeveloped mentality.

The majority of terrorists are Muslims, the most crime-prone population in non-Muslim countries is Muslim, the most barbaric traditions (circumcision of children, slaughtering sheep at Eid, killing animals by slitting their throats alive, killing/isolating homosexuals from society…) are Muslim, stupid traditions (praying 5 times a day saying and doing specific things to earn “Hasannates” a points system to go to paradise lolz, not eating pork…), the biggest massacres/crimes against humanity have been committed by Muslims, including in modern history (the massacre of Bangladeshis or the massacre of communist Indonesians for example) and the countries where it is generally the least pleasant to live are Muslim; almost all Muslim countries with the exception of sparsely populated oil-rich nations (Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia..) are shitholes. Btw you watch any video of people from Morocco to Pakistan, people often pull their faces or even look downright hostile as if they want to hit you.

Algeria was promising at its independence but then they voted overwhelmingly for Islamists in the first presidential elections, which were annulled in what was essentially a military coup. The country became increasingly Islamized anyway, sank into corruption, and essentially became a worthless nation relying on its oil reserves. Iran was ambitious under the Shah, whatever one might rightly think of it, and it turned out to be a disaster.

There is certainly an intelligent foundation in Islam you don't attract billions of people for no reason, btw there are interesting branches of Islam such as Ahmadiyya and Sufism. But at a certain point a tree is judged by its fruits. This is certainly due to the context of Islam's origins and the absence of a central priestly authority like in Catholicism; the Vatican institution whatever one may think of it is essentially there to prevent religion from being hijacked by fanatics or charlatans; as is the case here and there in Islam, Protestantism, or even Buddhism and Hinduism; and update it with the times and the evolution of people's intelligence.

Edited 1 hour ago by Schizophonia

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Schahin said:

 

Hatred against Muslims has existed since 1000 years ago when Europeans went 11 times to Palestine to kill the people there.

Those where religious wars, no? I'm not sure if the ethnic conflict you see today goes back that far in the minds of current the general population.

[Ajay0]

I would say the issue actually boils down into conditioning human beings with a dualistic mentality to strengthen identities. And when there is dualism there should be someone to fear and hate, otherwise the imaginary identities will not prop up for long, and peace and harmony will be the result which is not good for warmongering businesses.

 

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“There is a saying that, according to what a person's mentality is, even an angel may seem to him to have a devil's face.” ~ Idries Shah

 

This saying by the sufi master Idries Shah encapsulates the present hostile dynamics between the jews, christians and muslims even though they belong to the same abrahamic family, as well as the negative relationship between the west and russia even though they are of the same culture, religion and race.

When human beings are fragmented into divisive identities that are conflict prone by social conditioning, then sequentially fear, hatred and conflict are bound to be the outcome and which is self-perpetuating unless there is a shift in consciousness.

Imo, secular humanistic values and a secular spirituality can help offset much of the divisiveness caused by these political and religious divisions.
 

Edited 1 hour ago by Ajay0

[Majed]

21 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

As if Islam promotes theft, rape, murder or other crimes

@Karmadhi It literally does lmao. Now most muslims cherry pick from their religion, so for they practice it more or less peacefully. But if you really study it, there are wild things said in Islam, in the Quran and the Hadiths. 

Edited 49 minutes ago by Majed

[Schahin]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

It’s the religion the most correlated with a dogmatic, belligerent, and generally underdeveloped mentality.

The majority of terrorists are Muslims, the most crime-prone population in non-Muslim countries is Muslim, the most barbaric traditions (circumcision of children, slaughtering sheep at Eid, killing animals by slitting their throats alive, killing/isolating homosexuals from society…) are Muslim, stupid traditions (praying 5 times a day saying and doing specific things to earn “Hasannates” a points system to go to paradise lolz, not eating pork…), the biggest massacres/crimes against humanity have been committed by Muslims, including in modern history (the massacre of Bangladeshis or the massacre of communist Indonesians for example) and the countries where it is generally the least pleasant to live are Muslim; almost all Muslim countries with the exception of sparsely populated oil-rich nations (Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia..) are shitholes. Btw you watch any video of people from Morocco to Pakistan, people often pull their faces or even look downright hostile as if they want to hit you.

Algeria was promising at its independence but then they voted overwhelmingly for Islamists in the first presidential elections, which were annulled in what was essentially a military coup. The country became increasingly Islamized anyway, sank into corruption, and essentially became a worthless nation relying on its oil reserves. Iran was ambitious under the Shah, whatever one might rightly think of it, and it turned out to be a disaster.

There is certainly an intelligent foundation in Islam you don't attract billions of people for no reason, btw there are interesting branches of Islam such as Ahmadiyya and Sufism. But at a certain point a tree is judged by its fruits. This is certainly due to the context of Islam's origins and the absence of a central priestly authority like in Catholicism; the Vatican institution whatever one may think of it is essentially there to prevent religion from being hijacked by fanatics or charlatans; as is the case here and there in Islam, Protestantism, or even Buddhism and Hinduism; and update it with the times and the evolution of people's intelligence.

 

You are such an obvious racist and Islamophob its seriously disgusting.

I saw that in your other post in another thread too, sorry for you enormous lack of information stating some nonsense like the most horrible massacres where done by Muslims and they are mostly terrorists.

The highest Terror crimes is being done every second week in the USA where you have a shool mass shooting. The worst crimes were done by Europeans (Slavery, Apartheid , Colonization, White Superiority, Ethnic Cleansing, World Wards, Impersialism and on goes the list.). Your lack of information is so arrogant and your racism is so obvious, its so incredible that I wont even go on debunking the rest of your nonsense.

 

Edited 11 minutes ago by Schahin

[Schahin]

50 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Karmadhi It literally does lmao. Now most muslims cherry pick from their religion, so for they practice it more or less peacefully. But if you really study it, there are wild things said in Islam, in the Quran and the Hadiths. 

If you read it without context, obviously you'll get that impression but if you really study it, with the context of how the first Muslims were persecuted, imprisoned and tortured by the traditional Idolatatres, that didnt want to give up their traditions and murdered and tortured violently the first muslims, then you will understand those verses in a totally different light.

Obviously that wont work as long as you accompany the demonization by Western Countries and also believe that Muslims deserve to be slaughtered, like its happening with the Palestinians right now, with full complicity of these so called Founders of Human rights, European countries.

The first step towards a genocide and another Holocaust is dehumanzing people. If you start to study the stories of the great Islamic Sufi Mystics, Like Hafez, Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Fatima of Nishapur, the stories of the 12 Imams and how some of these Imams sacrificed their lives for justice and against barbarity and dictatorship and were murdered violently without mercy, then you really understand the context and the story behind the revolution that Islam was about to bring instead of just jumping onto the Islamophob train.

@Basman

Well the hostility of Christians against Muslims certainly never ended at any point. The Crusades were a starting point, and the genocide in PAlestine which is openly supported by Western countries is a similar scenario just in a far greater barbaric dimension, due to modern war machinery. The geographical location is the same though and it is done with references and justification  of the Old Testament

Edited just now by Schahin