dragons and unicorns exist in the same realm as I do??...

[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

"This" being... what?

Good question. But whatever I call it, it won’t be it. 

This is nameless. Even “This” is already saying too much. Discard the word and stick with what the words are pointing to .

 

[Hyperion]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Good question. But whatever I call it, it won’t be it. 

This is nameless. Even “This” is already saying too much. Discard the word and stick with what the words are pointing to .

Eeeexactly. - In other words, anything that can be expressed with words is always going to be a relative perspective rather than (the sole) absolute truth.

Q E.D., my friend.

Edited October 31 by Hyperion

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

Eeeexactly. - In other words, anything that can be expressed with words is always going to be a relative perspective rather than (the sole) absolute truth.

Q E.D., my friend.

But we used words to arrive at this very conclusion.

[emptiness dancing]

In the physical realm , there is only scribbles on the screen, awareness makes a supernatural entity in the thought realm "to read and understand" the actualized forum. 

Tomorrow when awareness sees the forum again, awareness creates another supernatural entity (with different understanding) that is different than yesterdays entity.

 

It might sound silly, but im just trying to grok reality through different lenses.

There is no thinker in the physical realm?

Only thought realm...

Maybe?....

[Hyperion]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

But we used words to arrive at this very conclusion.

Sure. Guess what, "anything that can be expressed with words is a relative perspective" is itself a relative perspective. 

1 hour ago, emptiness dancing said:

In the physical realm , there is only scribbles on the screen, awareness makes a supernatural entity in the thought realm "to read and understand" the actualized forum. 

Tomorrow when awareness sees the forum again, awareness creates another supernatural entity (with different understanding) that is different than yesterdays entity.

 

It might sound silly, but im just trying to grok reality through different lenses.

There is no thinker in the physical realm?

Only thought realm...

Maybe?....

Yes, that is a perfectly (in)valid perspective.

[LordFall]

Sure, you've not seen Game of Thrones? You can experience dragons visually and through your ears through the show. Eventually when VR takes off you'll be able to experience touching them, talking to them, riding them, etc. 

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

I think this is where epistemology comes in, to dictate what is worthy of true belief and what is a mere fantasy.  

[Talinn]

I don't understand the question really but if you draw a dragon with enough love and care you will be that dragon, for a few moments after you're finished.

Edited November 1 by Talinn

[cetus]

18 minutes ago, Talinn said:

I don't understand the question really but if you draw a dragon with enough love and care you will be that dragon, for a few moments after you're finished.

I just ordered a 3d printed scale model of "Creature from the Black Lagoon" that I'm going to assemble and paint for my grandson. So, I've been putting quite a bit of research into it on how I should paint his scales, his nails, his gills and all other fine details. Also adding my own imagination to it in the way I see him as real.

[Talinn]

27 minutes ago, cetus said:

I just ordered a 3d printed scale model of "Creature from the Black Lagoon" that I'm going to assemble and paint for my grandson. So, I've been putting quite a bit of research into it on how I should paint his scales, his nails, his gills and all other fine details. Also adding my own imagination to it in the way I see him as real.

You can always let him do the finishing touches!

[LastThursday]

In my simple mind the answer is that there are different types of existence. Dragons and unicorns are one type, and chairs and tables another. Although, there is a lot of overlap.

[Ziran]

On 10/30/2026 at 7:59 PM, emptiness dancing said:

hmmm...
direct experience....
there is a physical body...
but "i'm not "the physical body"
i'm aware of "the physical body"

You are not a physical body.  You possess a physical body.

On 10/30/2026 at 7:59 PM, emptiness dancing said:

when i think of myself... the imagined self...
it's like i'm imagining myself into existence...
now... now ... now.. 
imagine myself ...

... ok ....

On 10/30/2026 at 7:59 PM, emptiness dancing said:

but this imagination..
is the same when i think of a dragon...
dragon... myself... dragon.. myself...

am i onto something here...???

Do you possess a dragon, in the same way you possess a physical body?

If your attention pivots away from the dragon, what happens to it?
If your attention pivots away from your physical body, what happens to it?

Does this help? 

It's a matter of significance.  The physical body you possess is highly significant.  The dragons in your dreams are much-much less significant.

[emptiness dancing]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

It's a matter of significance.  The physical body you possess is highly significant.  The dragons in your dreams are much-much less significant.

the simulation argument....
let say you are stuck in the matrix....

sight sound everything... is controlled by an alien...
even thoughts are controlled....

the alien... can turn sight off.. 
the alien... can turn sound off.. 

can the alien turn thoughts off...???
why is this significant??... because we "think" there is a 
"thinker" that is controlling the body...

at least that's the human experience...

what would you feel if suddenly the alien turn thoughts off???

remember you are in a simulation...

you will "notice" or be "aware" of things moving without 
"conscious control..." in this simulation... 

we turn our thoughts on and off all the time...
when we think of a dragon ... boom ... 

so now my question is can the controlling alien turn the thinker off??
if the thinker can be turn off, than the thinker has the same significance as the 
dragon that i'm imagining all the time....

[oOo]

@emptiness dancing

There's a confusion on direct experience.

There's a distinction between perception, experience and awareness that is more subtle than many realise.

We may be perceiving or experiencing something, however we may only have very little awareness over either for anything.

The more aware you are of your perception and experience, the less divides will occur between the three.

When you place your perception on your awareness, what happens?
When you place your awareness on your perception, what happens?

When you place your experience on our awareness, what happens?
When you place your awareness on your experience, what happens?

When you place your perception on your experience, what happens?
When you place your experience on your perception, what happens?

When you place your experience and perception on our awareness, what happens?
When you place your experience and awareness on your perception, what happens?
When you place your perception and awareness on your experience, what happens?

What I want you to do is I now want you to put your hand in front of your eyes and just notice it.

This is the visual perception of your hand.

But the experience of the visual perception has other qualities to it does it not?

And the awareness of either the perception or experience here, and the awareness of doing so, each has their own experience does it not? And now do this outside the visual aspects.

This is not word play we are engaging in here, this is the development of subtler distinctions in your own direct experience that will teach you a richer experience from moment to moment in your own awareness as well as a greater sense of agency that actually translates.

For this to be effective however you must engage as if they are different so you can begin to see where they are different if this isn't immediately apparent to you.

Now I want you to view your computer in front of you, can you now make clearer distinctions between your awareness, experience and perception of your computer along with their combinations?

What you are doing here is not a mind trick. 

Instead what is happening is you are making visible distinctions that were previously invisible to you.

This is also the case as to how you may feel towards you computer.

Notice different tonal shifts and note them to yourself, for example before you may have had a more apathetic view and now that emotional view has partially to dramatically changed.

My point with all of this is you started out speaking about "oh my imagination is the same as when I have the thought of this dragon", you couldn't be further from the truth at helping yourself unveil the invisible paths that existed before you asked the question, 

You are not imagining yourself into existence, this is an oversimplification, in fact it is the exact opposite.

You are becoming aware of the invisible barriers that existed between you and the universe.

And that is not a mindtrick as I said, it is simply the subtle honing of "you" and "your" existence inside that hidden valley in the overlap between experience, perception and awareness. 

Get some practice under your sleeve working with physical objects including your body.

Then I want you to take that same practice and apply it to the thoughts and emotions you experience.

Afterwards after you get some more practice, I want you to see how you can apply this to everything you see around you.

After this I want you to close your eyes, and by now you will begin to see that your visual field was never visual at all, and certainly didn't only span one simple horizontal and vertical plane. 

This triad is not only a new way of revealing that which was already there, but owning them and then allowing them to return back to dust, and you, back to truth. 

Do you now feel your true body? Your true, direct experience. Your energy body.
Good.

Now I want you to apply the triad to now your entire body; this time, don't be afraid to put a little bit of force into it, like its an activation pattern. Watch your energy begin to change rapidly. 

Do you now after doing that have your beliefs about reality actually begin to feel like an experience, perception and awareness unto themselves, rather than something that previously cloaked your awareness of reality without your knowing?

Now you're getting the hang of it. 

Don't stop. Experiment with it, even try imbuing your energy body with your own chosen energy through intentional force. Measure the results on a feedback loop. 

Allow this practice to gradually answer the questions for yourself to fine upon your own natural awakening by walking the path.
 

[emptiness dancing]

On 11/3/2026 at 8:03 PM, oOo said:

 

There's a confusion on direct experience.

There's a distinction between perception, experience and awareness that is more subtle than many realise.

 

Yes, I do get that. But sometimes when trying to grasp an idea you've got to try to see reality through different lenses.

eventhough that idea might seem silly.
 

On 11/1/2026 at 1:10 AM, emptiness dancing said:

Tomorrow when awareness sees the forum again, awareness creates another supernatural entity (with different understanding) that is different than yesterdays entity.

Whilst browsing Leo's clips...
I found what my mind was trying to grasp

clip 443 - Sanity is Actively Constructed Every Minute

paraphrasing Leo :
the entire Universe has to imagine all your memories... 
actively every single moment, actively..
all your memory, 
has to be constructed perfectly right now...
by infinite intelligence...

It's amazing, that's what I'm trying to say,
it's mundane.... , yet at the same time ....
it's supernatural...
we can't even perceived it....
it's like everyday reality....
but a supernatural event is taking place and the reason we can't see it 
is because, it's just so seamless ,