Women are better hunter, science suggests

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Sometimes, it can be a bit of an ego boost to believe that one belongs to a superior group and that superiority is ensured if you belong to that group.

I do not hold that men are superior to women.

[Emerald]

Just now, Alexop said:

@Emerald in the tribes era, the political power was quite balanced, sometimes even  skewed towards women in matrilineal and matrilocal tribes. But that doesn't men there wasn't a division of labour. You had to be quiet stupid to not have that division. It would be harder to survive without it.

Only after the invention of the plow and mass agriculture men got significantly more power. They started to accumulate capital. "Cap" = head in romanian language. Head of cattle. 

There was still some division of labor between men and women in pre-agrarian times. But the lines were much blurrier than in agrarian times, when patriarchal transfer of land and resources started to become a thing.

Back then, we were in groups of 20-50 people. And the capacity for specialization was very limited... as specialization is something that unlocks only when there are surpluses of food and a fully settled location, like in agrarian times.

But if you think about it logistically, with so few people, it's going to be important for people to be generalists... where everyone is working together on similar tasks of basic sustenance. That way, there's always the capacity to cover that person's role if they get sick or die, as everything is so hand to mouth.

Like, imagine that it was the case that there's a group of 20 people. And 4 of them are children... 8 are men and 8 are women. 

Then, 5 of the 8 men get killed in an altercation with a warring group. 

In that case, it's going to be important that there are women who know how to pick up the slack and fulfill the roles those men used to fill. So, it makes logical sense to have a set-up where everyone would be familiar with all the roles in the group... and fulfill them often enough.

It's like if you lived your life camping... you'd need to learn all the basic skills, like hunting, making a fire, fixing your tent, foraging, etc.

So in those times, the evidence points to a less rigid division of labor between the sexes... where (in many groups) men were the primary hunters but all often foraged and women were the primary foragers but all often hunted.

[Alexop]

12 minutes ago, Emerald said:

So in those times, the evidence points to a less rigid division of labor between the sexes... where (in many groups) men were the primary hunters but all often foraged and women were the primary foragers but all often hunted.

That still is an exceptional situation. Normally you just can't have pregnant women running after prey for kilometers. If they didn't have to bear so many pregnancies during their whole adult lives, then I could buy some of that. Only in critical survival situations would you force a woman to do that.

They were still significantly contributing to the calorie intake of the tribe, but not by running after prey I think. They were picking up lots and lots of berries, fruits, roots etc. 

Edited 24 minutes ago by Alexop

[Leo Gura]

Back in the day, pregnant women would wrestle dragons bare-chested.

Those were the good ol days. How far we have fallen.

[Nercohype]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But it is much more than that.

Woke is an ideology.

@Leo Gura  You can believe that if you want. But AWARENESS does not have an ideology. Help me understand if I'm so wrong about this. I've tried to find an ideology in it, but I can't. Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't see it as an ideology. It's not Marxism or anything else. It's about being woke (awake), being aware of the injustices happening around us. Calling it an ideology just because it points out injustices doesn't seem right, in my humble opinion. 😁 Isn't an ideology something you believe in? I don't have to believe in the injustices and oppression unfolding before our eyes. That's not a matter of opinion or a point of view. It is what it is.

[Alexop]

@Nercohype dude, you conflate two completely different concepts.

[Ulax]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Back in the day, pregnant women would wrestle dragons bare-chested.

Those were the good ol days. How far we have fallen.

Hahahaha

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Back in the day, pregnant women would wrestle dragons bare-chested.

Those were the good ol days. How far we have fallen.

With the fucken thighs (innocuous aussie accent) 

 

 

Edited 1 minute ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Alexop]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Back in the day, pregnant women would wrestle dragons bare-chested.

Those were the good ol days. How far we have fallen.

Love this. I should learn to have more fun when discussing serious stuff. 

Edited just now by Alexop

[Nercohype]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

Woke has many positives. But it also denies many harsh truths and refuses to see the numerous negative consequences of its viewpoints.

@Ulax Interesting. I would very much like to hear those truths, because I have never denied any harsh truths. Nor have I ever heard anyone on the left deny them. What are the negative consequences of being aware of injustice?🤔 and are they more negative than far right killin people? Invading countries? Doing genocide?

Water has dangerous qualities too..but it still life giving substance.