My Latest Solipsistic Insight

[cetus]

12 minutes ago, JoshB said:

I see other relative to josh. Not relative to Self 

@Leo Gura

Hi Josh! How's it going?

Now I have to ask, who said that to who?

 

[JoshB]

31 minutes ago, cetus said:

Hi Josh! How's it going?

Now I have to ask, who said that to who?

 

Absolute pov: Self said that to Self

Relative pov: self said that to other 

With relative couched within the absolute

Edited 10 hours ago by JoshB

[cetus]

14 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Absolute pov: Self said that to Self

Relative pov: self said that to other 

With relative couched within the absolute

I had to contemplate this for a moment. It seems mind is the wild card which allows duality to experience non-duality. Otherwise, sugar can't taste sugar. 

 

[kavaris]

Im jumping ahead, to practical and magical, or il ligical and logical, and how it could influence communication, Cause i just see that as like, the nature of everything, in as much as we are prone to realizing, Like it is like, in the context of really, really, really trying to say something, it can hit the roof where its like "Actually this is a paradox thats trying to be non paradoxical" whoch is fine. I dont really see that direct-head-on conclusion w/ that, being a blocker on what it means to communicate, nor what Self is, like all those things can coincide, in as much as everyone has gifted each other avidya, like we are trying to figure out an experience basically... Like thats hard enough as is, so the benefit of the doubt is that, "Look im trying my best here" And im just saying that, cause others might be thinking it too (down the line... It depends right)

[kavaris]

*Of course from my perspective, i cant really distinguish one from the other, but everyone else is on the same wavelength, sorta kinda, you can tell, or closer to the same/similar, so yous have a means of knowing each other more intimately in a way, and how each other is feeling.

[Carl-Richard]

22 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

The source of seeing is NOTHING. In other words, the thing that is seeing is seeing itself. You are the SEER, and there are no other seers. [...]

[...] This means that when you are looking at someone in the eye, they can't actually see you.

Here is where your logic breaks down. "Seeing happens from nowhere" does not tell you anything about the structure of what is being seen. "Someone's eye" (a body part) is what is seen, it's not seeing itself. So you can't say anything about the state of body parts or any activity related to them based on the notion of "seeing happens from nowhere". It's a conflation of two different domains.

This is the perpetual trap solipsists on this forum go into. They start wanting to talk about the absoluteness of seeing/being itself but then they want to use that to make very specific claims about what is being seen and what is possible within what is being seen. They're two different domains. The nothingness of seeing betrays nothing about the nature of things that are seen. It betrays exactly nothing.

I couldn't bring a stronger condemnation about anything than mentioning the word solipsism in a discussion about absolute consciousness. It's a mind virus and toxin of language that reliably produces logical contradictions in people's thinking and poisons their relationship with epistemology and understanding of the world.

Edited 5 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Mellowmarsh]

If there is only one ultimate consciousness underlying everything, it mirrors solipsism because only one reality exists.

No (thing) knows reality because there is only reality, one without a second. 

[Joseph Maynor]

There is still an underlying need to be consistent with some kind of principle to ensure correctness.  But this is being created at a deeper level.  

[kavaris]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

There is still an underlying need to be consistent with some kind of principle to ensure correctness.  But this is being created at a deeper level.  

Is it possible to figure out? (I know that sounds incredibly shallow and as if im asking a very general question, but let me see if i can work it out) As, im tryina know... Like, i thought i should just give up... As its like, the differences themselves are like, an Erogenously expressed thing... like ... Is like, is it possible to navigate, such that its not at odds w/ creation, do ya think?

Im bein genuine asking, As its like, iuno... im fking up the question i want to ask... but i might find the words for it.

Edited 5 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

@Joseph Maynor Maybe that is the right question, that is, "Is figuring it out at odds w/ creation at the deepest lvl"

Granted, like ... i just thought of it (that phrasing) And i mighta had a better way to phrase it, but it flew outta my head at the last minute.

[Carl-Richard]

(GPT-6 Astra doing work).

Universal consciousness is compatible with whatever is happening and is not limited to whatever is happening (or not happening) inside people's minds. Universal consciousness doesn't give a shit about what is happening. Nothing at all could be happening and it would still be Universal consciousness.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[kavaris]

Alright lets just remove everything.

Okay wait... wait... im tryina find somethin i felt... Suppose this scenario... we come into life.... (its fake life, but ya know ... we dont know that)

And then, suppose we are like idiot sevants like, right outta the gate just like "I know its fake, fuck it yeo. Santa claus never brought me any presents" And suppose we are like 5 months old when we say this, Like...

That sounds... crazy, but humor me..

Suppose this possible thing where we already know of its fakeness, the instant its created, such that we have two things overlapping "reality, as a means of like... existing IN reality" plus "Our birth, that we see as like, a proclomation on being born into reality"

Now for watever freak reason, we come into it, knowing its not real... lets suppose..

I dont quite remember what i was thinking by illustrating it (or what i felt), but it wasnt to ask "What would happen", As it was more related to something now... Like... Gah... Fk it... Maybe yous will figure it out.

[Joseph Maynor]

48 minutes ago, kavaris said:

@Joseph Maynor Maybe that is the right question, that is, "Is figuring it out at odds w/ creation at the deepest lvl"

Granted, like ... i just thought of it (that phrasing) And i mighta had a better way to phrase it, but it flew outta my head at the last minute.

Figuring out is an underlying pattern of creation.  It is how a particular finite perspective shows up in the world.

[kavaris]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Figuring out is an underlying pattern of creation.  It is how a particular finite perspective shows up in the world.

Oh right.

Thats profound... wait a minute

... im tryina really understand wat just happened... *figuring out the thing, is the creation...*

So wait... Forget about Figuring out~As a description or as a synonym for creation,

But lets take that as a serious functional piece... Like Do you see what im saying?

Like, wait, to figure out IS to create, So we are living in a flawed existence, just right out the gate of tryina figure it out (if we go by just the pure logic side of things)

Like, outside of that phrasing or logic, we could find away around....BUT.. But for the time being... Think about it... Thats profoundly crazy.... Like "the minute you figure it out, youre already in the creation" Or vice versa (watev) Which everyone already knew that... prolly.... But its like, "to even think into figuring it out is just more creation", which would otherwise make it another created thing, as opposed to "figured out"

Does that make sense? I know it doesnt sound right, but somewhere in there theres something interesting... i feel.

[kavaris]

1 minute ago, kavaris said:

which would otherwise make it another created thing, as opposed to "figured out"

OR it would make it already, "figured out" too!.... nd i guess thats why its crazy profound too.

Edited 1 hour ago by kavaris

[Joseph Maynor]

17 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Oh right.

Thats profound... wait a minute

... im tryina really understand wat just happened... *figuring out the thing, is the creation...*

So wait... Forget about Figuring out~As a description or as a synonym for creation,

But lets take that as a serious functional piece... Like Do you see what im saying?

Like, wait, to figure out IS to create, So we are living in a flawed existence, just right out the gate of tryina figure it out (if we go by just the pure logic side of things)

Like, outside of that phrasing or logic, we could find away around....BUT.. But for the time being... Think about it... Thats profoundly crazy.... Like "the minute you figure it out, youre already in the creation" Or vice versa (watev) Which everyone already knew that... prolly.... But its like, "to even think into figuring it out is just more creation", which would otherwise make it another created thing, as opposed to "figured out"

Does that make sense? I know it doesnt sound right, but somewhere in there theres something interesting... i feel.

I disagree that we are living in a flawed existence, that is a common limiting belief.  

[kavaris]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I disagree that we are living in a flawed existence, that is a common limiting belief.  

Frame it like this (As im still writing tryina word it)

(Cont.) I guess the weird part is, we never isolated "creation" and "knowing / figuring out" and held them together, As one, As like, this fundamental thing, cause suddenly its like, 'If you fuse things together like that, you suddenly have this unusual logic ball... Now the validation / invalidation of consciousness is making alot of sense, cause its like, like...  its not that it breaks logic, but it... it does? But it doesnt though.... but it does? Like, its not broken... but in a sense.... it kindve does... or in the least, it breaks the logical rules required to "think things are gonna happen logically", simultaneously being illogical in the process. Albeit, we are fusing it together, but to me, it speaks to something profound, even if its just thoughts and words, its a CRAZY ordeal, but it also makes alot of sense to me... its like "Wait... You think the words you said make sense?" Like... SOMEONE out there is prolly thinking that, once they read it.

[kavaris]

@Joseph Maynor

Like its a logical wall we hit, but at the same time, if you scale it, its like "Oh that makes sense" -is what im saying, lol 

[kavaris]

Why does logic start to become like "blocker"? Oh .... n/m, n/m im just losin my mind... go on.. as yous werre...

[Joseph Maynor]

Think about this as just a start, being bombarded by the other's meaning.