Why is China hated so much in the West?

[Karmadhi]

Hello

I wanted to ask something that I do not seem to be able to understand

It involves China, and the crazy amount of hostility, hatred, propaganda and overall negative views it has in the West

I would like to understand why, is that the case?

What makes China so special to be hated like this?

The hatred comes from mainstream medias, politicans and even everyday people.

It seems to be strongest with centrists and right wing people.

I already know some point they may make so I will debunk them before someone mentions them on this post

1. China is a dictatorship

Yes, it is. However, so are many other countries that the West does not demonize. UAE, Saudi being two great examples. I would argue they are even more dictatorship like than China.

2. China oppresses minorities

Yes, they do most likely. However, so does Israel with Palestinians in West Bank. So does India with the people in Kashmir. Yet they are seen as allies and everyone sweeps it under the rug.

3. China is anti-West

Is it really? Or is China reacting to Western hostility accordingly

4. China will become the new superpower

So what? Why should it be seen as an issue? Why not work with them instead? 

I have not seen China invade anyone. So they are a lot more reliable than Russia for example.

Perhaps they do some pressure on neighbors, however relative to USA or Russia, they are a lot more peaceful considering how powerful they are.

Neither have I seen them try to seriously influence elections abroad like Russia or Israel do. At least in the West

Therefore, I cannot think of any other reason to hate China specifically so much rather than an egoic reaction of resentment that "we are no longer in charge of the world like before and we want to be the dominant entity".

Which is childish and very biased attitude

What do you guys think?

[Nivsch]

Unfamiliarity and fear from someone who seems different than you. I admit I feel sometimes a little bit of negative emotions to China as well. Many things which are new to you will feel negative or at least difficult with a sense of 'hostility' at the beginning. Including a new workplace you have just joined to. This doesn't mean China is a better than the US in being a dominant player in the world. It isn't in my opinion.

Edited yesterday at 10:34 AM by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Unfamiliarity and fear from someone who seems different than you. I admit I feel sometimes a little bit of negative emotions to China as well. Everything who is new to you will feel negative or difficult at the beginning. This applies for everything including a new workplace you have just joined to.

I get your point, however why in that case India, Japan, Singapore, South Korea are not demonized?

Japan used to be second largest economy at some point

India is the growing star of the world

Why selectivelly demonize China?

All countries I mentioned are super alien to Western culture.

[Jwayne]

It's mostly just racism, and secondly, this racism is now geopoliticallly incentivized so that the threatened countries in the West can cope better as they are now tasked with overturning the threat of impending decline as their own stature on the world stage is no longer guaranteed or taken for granted as it once was.

[Jodistrict]

The Western powers are intimidated by China because of their size.   The Western elites don’t want to share power with China but they don’t have any choice.  At the same time they fear China, they are also dependent on China for trade.  The bulk of the problem resides in the Western mind. 

[LordFall]

Israel is like a belligerent vassal state to the US.

Geopolitics runs on balance of power, not moral consistency.

 India, while growing, is nowhere near possessing the industrial, technological, or military scale to contest global hegemony. Western strategists actually see India as a natural counterweight to Beijing.

China is the only true peer-level competitor capable of reshaping the global economic architecture and dethroning US supremacy. When a state threatens another state's primacy, media narratives and domestic hostility are weaponized by default to manufacture public alignment.

It’s structural incentives and competition, pure and simple.

Edited 17 hours ago by LordFall

[Karmadhi]

30 minutes ago, LordFall said:

China is the only true peer-level competitor capable of reshaping the global economic architecture and dethroning US supremacy. When a state threatens another state's primacy, media narratives and domestic hostility are weaponized by default to manufacture public alignment.

It’s structural incentives and competition, pure and simple.

I agree

It is what I said above basically, bias and wanting to be the best

Now, why should I as a citizen care about it? Why should we hate China?

I am not American, so why to me does it matter if China or USA are number 1?

As long as China is not invading and can be cooperated with, what is the issue?

I live in Europe and Europe is already trading with China, China is way more reasonable than Trump's America is.

Vance wont be better probably.

It is like a mob boss being replaced by another in the local neighborhood

Why should we normal people living there who are not in the front seat, care

Edited 17 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Lyubov]

Just power. The same reason the west doesn’t care about Thailand. Because Thailand doesn’t have any power. Do you think Thailand wants to be built entirely on tourism and deal with all the fucktards that come to their country for a holiday? Of course not but what choice do they have? They don’t have a huge population or army or a ton of money to set the rules and get richer in another way. There is obviously much deeper nuance to this and plenty of history, geopolitics and political science books you can read on this. But yeah, they want China to be a poor workshop at best or a colonized country at worst. China seems to be rising above both of these. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Lyubov

[Ajay0]

Issue could be the legacy of the Opium wars in the nineteenth century involving China and  west comprising of UK and France .

The British smuggled opium and drugs to China back then reaping good profits from the same regardless of the ethical and moral concerns.  Chinese authorities stopped the practice due to widespread addiction and consequent socio-economic issues.

Angered by the ban on drugs, the UK and later on France, waged war against China and successfully forced them to lift the prohibition of drugs as well as extracting further economic and territorial concessions.

The impotence of the Chinese government in dealing with the Western colonial powers led to the communist revolution in china later on.

At present China is the third most powerful country on earth in economic and military terms and have nuclear arsenals that can wipe out any belligerent country or continent on earth . It's influence is fast increasing in Latin America, Asia and Africa.

So consequently they are deeply hated in the west as China has emerged as a superpower resulting in increasing reduction of global influence and profits by western entities.

 

[Basman]

Fundamental differences in how to run a government on a philosophical level. Its a dictatorship which does not have the same commitments to liberalism and sovereignty. People don't want that running the world.

If china can't have small nation neighbours without wanting to attack them they are not fit for the mantle. It's like a wild animal. You literally have to cage them in militarily to keep their aggression in check. 

Saudis and especially Israel now are demonized plenty for the same reasons. Its mainly people who are personally involved with Israel who glaze it. You don't quiet have your facts straight. 

I don't understand the millenial China glazers man. Is it just "west sucks" brain turn off? Like those pro-Russia fuck Ukraine lefties sheerly because they just hate the west that much. 

[Basman]

China has the RSF rank 175/180. It's one of the worst countries to be in a journalist in.

https://rsf.org/en/propaganda-monitor-rsf-exposes-china-s-global-campaign-distort-journalism-worldwide

It is stuff like this why China isn't trusted. You can't even adequately have a dialogue about the truth of the country itself. Its funny too how having literal concentration camps is kind of glozed over.

I don't want that running the world.

Edited 4 hours ago by Basman

[Ajay0]

42 minutes ago, Basman said:

Fundamental differences in how to run a government on a philosophical level. Its a dictatorship which does not have the same commitments to liberalism and sovereignty.

Maybe if the west did not attack and exploit China during the opium wars and treated it justly and fairly, it would not have become a communist dictatorship at present. 

Plutocrats and unethical capitalists ruling western countries through the deep state with politicians in their payroll  and shaping the capitalist owned media narratives to manipulate the western middle/lower classes to do its bidding, back then and now, are the primary culprits for this debacle, imho. 

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Maybe if the west did not attack and exploit China during the opium wars and treated it justly and fairly, it would not have become a communist dictatorship at present. 

Plutocrats and unethical capitalists ruling western countries through the deep state with politicians in their payroll  and shaping the capitalist owned media narratives to manipulate the western middle/lower classes to do its bidding, back then and now, are the primary culprits for this debacle, imho. 

So? Doesn't mean an unmitigated China is good for the world. Your just supporting the other empire. 

[Ajay0]

28 minutes ago, Basman said:

So? Doesn't mean an unmitigated China is good for the world. Your just supporting the other empire. 

What are your suggestions for mitigating the west ?

Most of the conflicts and wars had and are still emerging from there , including the two world wars which originated in europe killing over a hundred million people, and which was constantly conflict-prone !

Europe is heavily traumatized by the incessant wars and world wars which has spilled an ocean of blood,  and so is not much into warmongering at present but its role has now been taken up  by the US.

With respect to the US, former American president and Nobel prize winner for peace Jimmy Carter has lamented its continuous warmongering attitude and had favorably compared China with the US in this regard...

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"Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody? None. And we have stayed at war. (Carter said the United States is) the most warlike nation in the history of the world... How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?... We have wasted, I think, $3 trillion (military spending) ... China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that's why they're ahead of us. In almost every way... And I think the difference is if you take $3 trillion and put it in American infrastructure, you'd probably have $2 trillion left over. We'd have high-speed railroad. We'd have bridges that aren't collapsing. We'd have roads that are maintained properly. Our education system would be as good as that of, say, South Korea or Hong Kong. " ~ Jimmy Carter