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3 hours ago, Ulax said:

Glad you find my points strong. But you are just engaging in whataboutism.

I understand that's how you see it.


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@Raze The data is highly divergent between articles and analysts. Its pretty clear the "genocide" trend isn't based on an honest comparison with different Western countries conflicts against guerrilla organizations.


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1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze The data is highly divergent between articles and analysts. Its pretty clear the "genocide" trend isn't based on an honest comparison with different Western countries conflicts against guerrilla organizations.

There is no legitimate analysis that would find the IDF standard in Gaza was even close to the standard of the US in Afghanistan and Iraq. Any analyst even suggesting this is a liar or completely incompetent. Casualty ratios is just one standard that they don’t meet even remotely.

https://warontherocks.com/gaza-and-the-conduct-of-urban-war-civilian-harm-risk-and-responsibility/

The people saying this are pathological liars who are discredited in any rigorous western institutes and the public, they just get air time in israel because they help the population rationalize what they’ve supported.

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/flawed-critique-how-andrew-foxs-report-for-the-henry-jackson-society-on-gaza-death-toll-lacks-evidence-for-key-claims/

In Gaza nearly as many children died as children died in the entire Syria conflict, Syrias civil war lasted 10 years longer among a population 13x as large and involved multiple armies like Russia, Iran, the US, Assad fighting with multiple guerilla organizations like rebels, ISIS, HTS. And the standard of Syria and ratios were much worse than the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The genocide accusation is the result of reports from multiple human rights groups and genocide scholars. This includes things like the starvation siege and statements from officials calling for forced migration which aren’t present in other conflicts against guerrilla organizations.

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@Raze So You just dismiss out of hand any analyst who shows what is inconvenient to you. 

As far as I understand, estimates range widely, and I've seen analyses placing the ratio around 3:1 to 4:1.

This doesn't mean I support Bibi's government actions, but some minimal decency is needed.

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39 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze So You just dismiss out of hand any analyst who shows what is inconvenient to you. 

As far as I understand, estimates range widely, and I've seen analyses placing the ratio around 3:1 to 4:1.

This doesn't mean I support Bibi's government actions, but some minimal decency is needed.

3 to 1 or 4 to 1 is far worse than average. US in Afghanistan was 1 to 3.5.

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@Raze In Iraq the ratio was also around couple of civilians for each combatant, similar to Gaza.

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6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze In Iraq it was worse than 4:1

That is false, the entire war was 3.4 to 1. But the majority of civilians were killed in the civil war and by insurgents. Coalition forces had a ratio of 1 to 2.

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On 31/07/2026 at 5:04 PM, LordFall said:

The Moroccan government should prioritize vocational training and a business education for it's youth. Moroccan king Mohammed VI and prime minister Aziz Akhannouch should personally answer for this and help the moroccan youth figure their shit out. You're the king my guy use your title and status for a reason otherwise the next place they storm should be his house. 

Lol, as a Moroccan, this would never happen in a million years. shit doesn't happen like that here. 

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