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50 000 migrants storm Spain through its African territory Ceuta

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Pretty wild situation, the latest escalation in Europe's refugee crisis. Except these aren't really refugees, these are apparently people organized by the government of Morocco/Israel(just from what I've read, nothing official confirming it) to pressure Spain and the EU due to Spain making a deal with Algeria to cut oil transfer from going through Morocco as well as taking advantage of a Spain Supreme court passed last month that prevents Spain from kicking out migrants that come by sea. Moroccan border security intentionally relaxing checkpoints has been confirmed. 

Pretty tragic situation especially for the residents of Ceuta which are basically getting invaded and left with struggle to access food as their cities are well invaded. Here is a post posted on the Ask Spain subreddit posted by a woman from Ceuta 2 hours ago. You can use browser translate to turn it from Spanish to english. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/askspain/comments/1vbqkv3/ceuta_ahora/

We have a lot of liberals and left wingers on this forum who will perhaps automatically side with the migrants but keep in mind there are no jobs nor resources on Ceuta to attomodate these people, even the Spanish and overall European economy is struggling. This leads to nothing but pressure on well meaning Spanish and European politician to escalate the use of force in dealing with these migrants otherwise it leads to anarchy.

I do feel bad for the people being pushed towards doing this but it's not a good solution for them. The Moroccan government should prioritize vocational training and a business education for it's youth. Moroccan king Mohammed VI and prime minister Aziz Akhannouch should personally answer for this and help the moroccan youth figure their shit out. You're the king my guy use your title and status for a reason otherwise the next place they storm should be his house. 

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It reminds me when Turkey was blackmailing the EU with migrants.

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The situation is crazy right now, for a population of 84k aprox, more than 50k rushing into the city is an emergency. Some people in Spain are calling it an invasion, it's not technically that, but it could be viewed in that fashion. Some strong decisions have to be made, but current gov is left party so I'm doubtful they'll make such a call, again something has to be done otherwise there's gonna be a critical escalation regionally, nationally and internationally.


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I'm left wing. But so many on my side are so blind to the issues of immigration.

We rightly bang on about how important socialisation is. For example, teaching guys and girls healthy belief systems growing up. But then try to somehow act like the fact that someone who you've not had any chance to socialise isn't going to pose some serious risks.


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34 minutes ago, Davino said:

The situation is crazy right now, for a population of 84k aprox, more than 50k rushing into the city is an emergency. Some people in Spain are calling it an invasion, it's not technically that, but it could be viewed in that fashion. Some strong decisions have to be made, but current gov is left party so I'm doubtful they'll make such a call, again something has to be done otherwise there's gonna be a critical escalation regionally, nationally and internationally.

It's like a soft invasion. It's not meant as hostile but for the people living there it must feel like one which is why I linked the Reddit thread where a woman was talking it from her perspective experiencing it.

3 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I'm left wing. But so many on my side are so blind to the issues of immigration.

We rightly bang on about how important socialisation is. For example, teaching guys and girls healthy belief systems growing up. But then try to somehow act like the fact that someone who you've not had any chance to socialise isn't going to pose some serious risks.

I'm left wing as well but we can't be ignorant to realities. If we don't follow due process we end up with violent anarchy soon enough. Those dudes seem to be willingly going back home but humans are humans. Give them no food for a few days and access to weapons and they will kill their own people and take their house soon enough. Let alone the ones they see as colonial occupiers like the residents of Ceuta and Melilla. Even though those countries have been a part of Spain for hundreds of years before Morocco was a country. 


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You saying Israel might organized that is pure speculation and creating more hate towards Israelis and Jewish people which caused the Holocaust. Be careful making false claims like that.

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Europe was doomed by migration a long time ago. Nothing new. The naivety of the left is astounding 

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So I’m seeing reports that all of this was orchestrated by the Moroccan state on behalf of Israel, who are pissed that Spain has taken a hardline stance against Israel and their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians over the last couple of years.

Now a bunch of Israeli accounts on Twitter are coming out of the woodworks calling for Spain to “decolonize” Ceuta and to give over half of their European land to Morocco as some sort of “gotcha” against Spain for their “hypocrisy.”

Can’t the Israelis see how fucking insane this is? Trying to play into anti-imperialist rhetoric to score international brownie points whilst flattening Gaza, killing West Bank Palestinians and turning southern Lebanon and Iran into nightmare warzones is UTTERLY insane. Israel is a fucking rabid dog and needs to be put down for the sake of sanity to survive on this planet.

What an utterly bankrupt, perverse, hypocritical and destructive malignant entity Israel is. Just an awful country in every sense of the word. These people are unhinged.

 

Edit: some of these posts in question.

https://x.com/yoavkaufman/status/2083012831977353341?s=20

 

https://x.com/c14english/status/2083103264791289994?s=20

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24 minutes ago, Heaven said:

You saying Israel might organized that is pure speculation and creating more hate towards Israelis and Jewish people which caused the Holocaust. Be careful making false claims like that.

Trump for sure has a role to play in this

Probably Israel too 

USA has huge influence in Morocco and Spain went against USA and Israel

It makes logical sense for them to punish Spain through this

What is so weird about it?

Both Trump and Bibi are as shameless as it gets

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@Apparition of Jack I don't see any evidence that it was orchestrated on behalf of Israel. Since Spain has a fairly wokie goverment, it should be expected that one day it's gonna have to tackle with their blindspots


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9 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Apparition of Jack I don't see any evidence that it was orchestrated on behalf of Israel. Since Spain has a fairly wokie goverment, it should be expected that one day it's gonna have to tackle with their blindspots

Criticising Spain for imperial holdovers is one thing, busing in 60,000 random civilians to cause chaos out of some hare-brained political stunt against a geopolitical rival to deflect from your own genocide is another thing entirely.

Israel couldn’t give less of a fuck about Spanish cities in Morocco or anything else like that, they just want to punish Spain for not blindly allowing them to slaughter Palestinians with impunity. The very real human cost in terms of racism, destabilisation etc this stunt will cost doesn’t matter to these ghouls. They’d happily let the rest of the earth burn if it meant they got to cling onto their blood-soaked conquests for one day longer. They’re a rogue agent and will be forced to wake up to the fact they exist on illegitimate, ill-gotten Palestinian land one way or another.

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35 minutes ago, Heaven said:

You saying Israel might organized that is pure speculation and creating more hate towards Israelis and Jewish people which caused the Holocaust. Be careful making false claims like that.

It is speculation but not pure speculation without ground. Israel has deep security/intelligence ties (post-Abraham Accords) and they gain moral ground with their Gaza fiasco by also now throwing Spain into the neo-imperialist boat which makes Spain’s hardline stance against Israel's actions in Gaza look silly.

The Trump family and thus the current US administration have already made their plans to parts of Gaza into a luxury resort so stirring up trouble and painting arabs as violent migrants that don't respect property rights is in their short term advantage as well. 


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@Apparition of Jack Is Israel also responsible for the recent Spanish court rulling about the cancelation of immidiate sea arrivals? Has Israel paid all those 10s of thousands of immigrants to be movie extras? Come on man


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11 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Apparition of Jack Is Israel also responsible for the recent Spanish court rulling about the cancelation of immidiate sea arrivals? Has Israel paid all those 10s of thousands of immigrants to be movie extras? Come on man

I’m no conspiracy theorist, but sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Hell I was initially resistant but to the whole backlash against Israel after October 7 because I felt the situation was more complex than that. But at some point it becomes too obvious that all of this is real and Israelis really are that fucking unhinged, lol. You couldn’t write a more fucked-up country if you tried. 
 

Israel is a bloodthirsty settler state and they know it, the problem is they’re unwilling to admit this to themselves so they’d rather destroy everything else than own up to their own dark truths. In trying to create a safehaven for Jews they ended up creating their own nightmare. There’s no other words to describe all of this other than “fucked.”

 

edit: Just to add to this, none of this adds up. There have been some migrant waves in Ceuta in the past but none as massive as this and none as spontaneous. Spain had been making moves to align with Algeria over Morocco very recently and the Moroccans and Israelis just announced a new partnership literally yesterday. Plus Morocco’s ties to MAGA, Zionism etc are well documented, this didnt just come out of the blue. Not to mention all the Israeli diplomats, journalists basically jumping for joy over the news (and the fact that they expressed hope this would happen YEARS ago) just makes all of this feel way more organised than just “some Moroccans really wanted to get to one walled-off city out of nowhere.” It’s the same bullshit Lukashenko or Erdogan pull when they want to punish Europe with migrants. It’s not unheard of. 

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1 hour ago, Heaven said:

You saying Israel might organized that is pure speculation and creating more hate towards Israelis and Jewish people which caused the Holocaust. Be careful making false claims like that.

Israel don't deserve special treatment


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Israel has used the Holocaust card way too much to get away with heinous bullshit virtually no other country would get away with. The Holocaust was terrible but it doesn’t give a nation free rein to rewrite human rights, international law, factual evidence or just basic fucking history at will. 
 

Palestinians, Lebanese, Iranians etc are all suffering under their unhinged quest for regional hegemony and the creation of “Greater Israel” in complete violation of international law, human decency, or common sense. Just because your granddaddy was murdered in a Nazi gas chamber doesn’t now allow you to slaughter Muslims and destabilise nations across the planet because you think you now own that land despite not living there for 2000 years
 

Israel is factually a settler state engaged in ongoing displacement, massacres and ethnic cleansings of the native populations of those regions. Any unbiased reading of the situation leads to this conclusion. Humanity did away with warlords in 1945 but apparently the biggest victims of warlordism and nationalism didnt get the fucking memo. 
 

Israel has to go. This is beyond absurd.

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2 hours ago, Heaven said:

You saying Israel might organized that is pure speculation and creating more hate towards Israelis and Jewish people which caused the Holocaust. Be careful making false claims like that.

The holocaust was caused by Nazi Germany and the fascistic need to manufacture enemies. Criticizing Israel, even if conspiratorial, isn't suddenly going to lead to Jewish genocide. That is ridiculously untrue. 

The holocaust card is so tired now, it's starting to get pathetic. Crocodile tears from a genocidal state.

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