The Michael Sartain podcast

[Leo Gura]

I see Sartain hustling in a Vegas nightclubs. He loves the fakest bimbo girls. The more plastic they look the more he likes them. But to each his own, I guess.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

Social circle is better than cold approach, it’s just harder to do.

[Leo Gura]

Social circle is good for extroverts. Introverts not so much.

Social circle requires a lot of regular socializing to maintain. You can't just start and stop it on a dime, like going to the club.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Zenterus]

Social Circle is amazing when coupled with cold approaching. However, as Leo said, it is a bit overwhelming for introverts, such as myself.

That being said, there are levels to social circle. You dont have to build a massive "high value social circle" to reap the benefits of it. If you can join communities (or build your own) that put you into contact with like minded people in a regular basis where attraction can develop naturally over time then you'll have a decent pool of potential new dating opportunities.

Joining a dance class, for example; taking up a sport; joining a weekly meetup event; making your own bi-weekly or monthly event,  etc.

These are very good to do, especially taking classes for something you're genuinely interested in because you're hitting 2 birds with 1 stone. 

That's what I do. I rely primarily on online dating these days though because I'm focused on my purpose and developing myself as a man, coupled with a few cold approaches here and there and going to salsa/bachata events as well as other meetup groups (will soon start my own) and I have no shortage of options.

All of this assumes though that you're an attractive man and that you have done the work to gain passive attraction, otherwise you'll just end up friendzoned.

[Raze]

 

[Leo Gura]

Social circle is the more artful and elegant way. But it's just too much socializing for me.

I got better things to do than maintain a social circle like a clown spinning plates.

To succeed in social circle you have to love that kind of social lifestyle.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Optimized Life]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Social circle is good for extroverts. Introverts not so much.

Social circle requires a lot of regular socializing to maintain. You can't just start and stop it on a dime, like going to the club.

I'm an extrovert and i hate social circle 

Not because i dont like groups 

But because regardless of your extroversion level you do not resonate with 95% of people if you are just being yourself 

Therefore i could REALLY enjoy social circle but i would have to have a large group of multiple, compatiable people, that is extremely difficult to do unless you have the time, logistics and money to hunt for it day and night for years to build it 

It took me years just to find 1 single friend who is compatible enough for me to want to see often, and even then he is mostly just busy with work, and the pragmatic realities of life, so i still mostly go out alone 99% of the time, not merely by choice, but because this is a niche game, 99% of men dont have the heart to approach in the first place, of the tiny minority that do, 95% of those people arent even compatible wit hyou personality wise, so it makes no fucking sense. 

So its definitely an option but it requires a huge amount of time, money, perfect logistics, location ect.. which 99% of people dont have 

Social circle is an upper class game, not an extroverts game

I find pushing social circle as unfair on working and middle class people, or people who havent fully made it in business yet, its just not realistic  

But if i was in leos position then social circle would be a piece of cake 

Edited 7 hours ago by Optimized Life

[Lyubov]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Social circle is the more artful and elegant way. But it's just too much socializing for me.

I got better things to do than maintain a social circle like a clown spinning plates.

To succeed in social circle you have to love that kind of social lifestyle.

I agree. It’s nice having friends but there’s no guarantee you’ll have a flow of hot girls coming through, you may also burn it down if you move on one and they don’t like you. If you want that you need to go out often too (2-3 nights minimum a week easily). You need to join run clubs and typical social events that young women go to in cities like LA and Miami. It’s a ton of socializing and it’s really only going to be rewarding for extroverted men. Trying to force extroversion as an introvert is not wise. You can absolutely kill it if you are an extroverted man in good shape at a run club. 

Ideally the best set up for getting similar results as an introverted man is really raising your status, looks and social media and then leveraging that for online game in more introverted European countries. Lifestyle is much better for introverted men and making different things do more of the heavy lifting over raw socializing. 

[Raze]

The best approach is a combination of cold approach and social circle 
 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Raze

[Lyubov]

It’s absolutely frightening as well at how much socializing many women are able to do. What I mean is that for many women going out with friends and to clubs and bars and to the beach and meeting new people is literally effortless. They aren’t drained by it and they get lots of attention and drinks and support from social circle and going out and have a group of friends a week after landing in a new city. This comes with its own problems though (constant drama and falling outs). For introverted men it feels like a fucking war, nothing about it comes natural to me and it is an absolute chore to go out like this to socialize. 

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

It’s absolutely frightening as well at how much socializing many women are able to do. What I mean is that for many women going out with friends and to clubs and bars and to the beach and meeting new people is literally effortless. They aren’t drained by it and they get lots of attention and drinks and support from social circle and going out and have a group of friends a week after landing in a new city. This comes with its own problems though (constant drama and falling outs). For introverted men it feels like a fucking war, nothing about it comes natural to me and it is an absolute chore to go out like this to socialize. 

That’s a problem with event style social circle and night game, you’re filtering for extroverted women who you may be incompatible, with as an introvert 

[Lyubov]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s a problem with event style social circle and night game, you’re filtering for extroverted women who you may be incompatible, with as an introvert 

Comparability implies commitment which I think most guys doing pick up are just trying to get laid. You can find a gf through night game but you won’t know you’re compatible until you’ve been together for a bit. 

[Raze]

Just now, Lyubov said:

Comparability implies commitment which I think most guys doing pick up are just trying to get laid. You can find a gf through night game but you won’t know you’re compatible until you’ve been together for a bit. 

That is false, most guys get into it because they want a gf. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Raze

[Valach]

40 minutes ago, Raze said:

That is false, most guys get into it because they want a gf. 

That really depends on the PUA circle. Many of the men wanted to just have "options" or sex. But deep down it all comes down to wanting to feel like you are valuable and attractive.

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

That is false, most guys get into it because they want a gf. 

I think that is what most guys end up with because they realize it’s unsustainable going out all the time and putting in energy to meet new women. But I think most start out with high aspirations and fantasies of getting laid all the time.  

[LordFall]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Social circle is good for extroverts. Introverts not so much.

Social circle requires a lot of regular socializing to maintain. You can't just start and stop it on a dime, like going to the club.

 

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Social circle is the more artful and elegant way. But it's just too much socializing for me.

I got better things to do than maintain a social circle like a clown spinning plates.

To succeed in social circle you have to love that kind of social lifestyle.

I would argue that this forum is your social circle. It doesn't really matter what medium you use to hold it together, I use group chats on Instagram for my creative communities and host 1-2 events a month around it usually.  

Extroverts build social circles that are more like friend groups that a lot of times burnt out over a period of years because it's built on good emotions in the moment not really helping eachother reach goals. Introverts build social circles more around systems and put more thought into it.

8 hours ago, Zenterus said:

Social Circle is amazing when coupled with cold approaching. However, as Leo said, it is a bit overwhelming for introverts, such as myself.

That being said, there are levels to social circle. You dont have to build a massive "high value social circle" to reap the benefits of it. If you can join communities (or build your own) that put you into contact with like minded people in a regular basis where attraction can develop naturally over time then you'll have a decent pool of potential new dating opportunities.

Joining a dance class, for example; taking up a sport; joining a weekly meetup event; making your own bi-weekly or monthly event,  etc.

These are very good to do, especially taking classes for something you're genuinely interested in because you're hitting 2 birds with 1 stone. 

That's what I do. I rely primarily on online dating these days though because I'm focused on my purpose and developing myself as a man, coupled with a few cold approaches here and there and going to salsa/bachata events as well as other meetup groups (will soon start my own) and I have no shortage of options.

All of this assumes though that you're an attractive man and that you have done the work to gain passive attraction, otherwise you'll just end up friendzoned.

It shouldn't be exhausting if you do it the right way, that's why the social circle blueprint courses and Sartain's teachings are so important. You don't need to meet with your social circle more than 1-2 a month if it's in your city and even less than that if it's online and build around a theme. Some people run business conferences as social circles and to me it evoques the best part of stage yellow because it should connect 3-4 areas of your life(dating, career/business, friendship, wellness even, etc) as well as stage green to build it from deep understanding of the people in your circle, what they desire to achieve in their life and work with them to overcome your collective limitations to make that happen.