FUCK COMPLIMENTS, This is what ADVANCED Flirting Looks Like! [Not for Beginners]!

[Leo Gura]

Observational openers are the best. Day or night. And they are easy to do. You just look at whatever she's wearing and say something dumb about it like:

"Hey, you look like a chili pepper" (to girl in red dress)

Observational openers can be very abstract and loose. Like if I see a girl in a green dress, I will just call her Elf girl. "Hey, elf girl!"

You can invent a stupid observational comment about every color of dress girls wear.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[PsychedelicEagle]

On 7/23/2026 at 10:42 AM, Zenterus said:

Myth #1 INTENT AND DIRECT GAME

Fully disagree with this. See the work from Alan Roger Currie — namely "Mode One". You can actually generate A LOT of tension by approaching a girl in an extremely direct way.

The guy is also funny AF:

I've actually applied some of the stuff he teaches with great success. Not recommending it to everyone tho.

On 7/23/2026 at 10:42 AM, Zenterus said:

Direct game can work, by the way, its just not the optimal approach. Of course, if you go up to a 100 people and directly convey your intentions to them, at least a couple will reciprocate, but that is a matter of luck than actual skill.

What's better is approaching in an indirect or just friendly/curious manner, getting a conversation started from that baseline and then slowly layering in the flirtatious vibe as the interaction progresses.

The problem here is you can easily waste a lot of time and be deceived. What you call "skill" can be seen, from a certain perspective, as manipulation. You're delaying showing your intentions to improve your chances. As Alan puts it himself: "manipulation is a two-way street". From an angle, the more direct you are the less you manipulate. There are of course ways to be direct without verbally stating it — to acknowledge the nuance and the spectrum in direct vs indirect game, but as general advice I solidly prefer direct game.

For me direct game is optimal: approach the chick, tell her you're interested, she'll either be available and like you or not — either way I win by saving a lot of time. I also get to showcase how ballsy I am from the get go 😛

Edited 2 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[Zenterus]

@PsychedelicEagle No. Direct game is inoptimal.

You're coming from the perspective that a woman doesn't care about anything else other than your first impression, which is false.

Going direct forces the woman to make a decision about you with incomplete information.

Women can get attracted to you for all sorts of reasons beyond just the physical.

If you're funny, charismatic, witty, smart, successful, strong, have good eye contact, good tonality, have shared interests and values, have an interesting personality or the experience of you is captivating etc etc

These are traits that are not immediately apparent from the get go, they need time in conversation to be revealed.

Plus, don't you have any standards dude? Dont you care what type of girl this is?

What kind of high value dude runs around giving away free compliments and going super direct with women?

A desperate guy with no standards or abundance.

High value men are selective. Just because a girl is hot doesnt mean that she is good enough to fuck with you. You need to get to know each other a bit.

Again, going direct can work, but it is inefficient and will only work up to a point. If you're ugly or not traditionally attractive, it wont work at all.

Im talking from a very extensive experience base, dude. I've tried everything. I have 10 years of trial and error in this shit. I know what I'm talking about.

You're wrong.

 

Learn proper game.

[PsychedelicEagle]

1 minute ago, Zenterus said:

Plus, don't you have any standards dude? Dont you care what type of girl this is?

Please be respectful toward me.

[PsychedelicEagle]

Direct game is about opener. You select the girl and convey your character afterwards. Just because I tell the girl I find her attractive does not mean I will sleep with her. 

To me directness is about not going out of my way to convey character traits. If the girl is not even interested to the point of continuing the interaction after I open it, I let her go. There are too many people in the world, many of which will be interested.

If you want to maximize the chance of a particular girl sleeping with you, then indirect may give you more chances, but the opportunity cost is high. The type of opportunity cost I'm not willing to pay.

[PsychedelicEagle]

8 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

Im talking from a very extensive experience base, dude. I've tried everything. I have 10 years of trial and error in this shit. I know what I'm talking about.

You're wrong.

 

Learn proper game.

👏👏👏

[Valach]

8 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

@PsychedelicEagle No. Direct game is inoptimal.

You're coming from the perspective that a woman doesn't care about anything else other than your first impression, which is false.

Going direct forces the woman to make a decision about you with incomplete information.

Women can get attracted to you for all sorts of reasons beyond just the physical.

If you're funny, charismatic, witty, smart, successful, strong, have good eye contact, good tonality, have shared interests and values, have an interesting personality or the experience of you is captivating etc etc

These are traits that are not immediately apparent from the get go, they need time in conversation to be revealed.

Plus, don't you have any standards dude? Dont you care what type of girl this is?

What kind of high value dude runs around giving away free compliments and going super direct with women?

A desperate guy with no standards or abundance.

High value men are selective. Just because a girl is hot doesnt mean that she is good enough to fuck with you. You need to get to know each other a bit.

Again, going direct can work, but it is inefficient and will only work up to a point. If you're ugly or not traditionally attractive, it wont work at all.

Im talking from a very extensive experience base, dude. I've tried everything. I have 10 years of trial and error in this shit. I know what I'm talking about.

You're wrong.

 

Learn proper game.

I mean you can be selective while being direct or giving a compliment no? Isn't the mindset "This person looks attractive and I am coming up to find out if we vibe as well"? Many times I've gone direct and then decided not to proceed based on her personality. Me saying I find het attractive is not me saying I want her to be my girlfriend or to even go on a date with me.
 

[Zenterus]

@PsychedelicEagle I'm not being disrespectful towards you, dude, but you're wrong. 

Again, direct game works! I said that in the post too, but it's inoptimal.

If you want more consistent results, you have to go in indirect and build the vibe, screen each other and escalate from there.

You could be an awesome dude if a girl were to get to know you a bit, but if when you approachbher she just waves you off because you went direct and she was forced to make a decision, then it doesnt matter how amazing you might be.

If going direct works for you, then wonderful man, keep doing it.

But if your goal is to take your game to the next level, you're gonna have to adopt a higher paradigm. 

[Zenterus]

@Valach I repeat for the 5th time: Direct works, its just not optimal. 

[Valach]

5 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

@Valach I repeat for the 5th time: Direct works, its just not optimal. 

Okay fair, but I do not understand how being direct is connected to the man not being non-high value or in scarcity to say so.

Like if you truly feel worthy and on her level (or even above) why would you care on how you appear? I am not dissing the post, I like it but I am confused about this type of thinking. My coach (well, he is more my friend but he is a PUA coach in my city as well) does direct as well and has no issue with that. 

Like I doubt Leo DiCaprio would think about whether to go direct or non direct with a woman. He would just say what he feels like saying.

Edited 2 hours ago by Valach

[Valach]

@Zenterus

I actually think both this post and your previous one contain a lot of valuable insights from a game perspective. You clearly have a lot of experience and have put serious thought into this.

But reading them made me wonder about something a bit more fundamental.

Why do we strategize, optimize and perform so much around the opposite sex in the first place? What do you think that ultimately stems from?

Another thing I'm wondering about is the whole idea of projecting abundance, confidence or "high value." Isn't there a paradox there? If I genuinely feel worthy and abundant, why would I be thinking about how to appear abundant at all?

It almost seems like the more concerned I am with communicating high value, the more it suggests I don't fully believe it internally.

One mindset is: "I feel valuable because I have a lot of dating options, so I reinforce that image by behaving in ways I know are attractive."

The other is: "I feel valuable simply because of who I am." In that case, dating becomes less about getting the other person or being perceived as high value, and more about expressing genuine attraction and seeing whether we're actually compatible.

From that perspective, confidence isn't something I'm trying to project—it's just a byproduct of how I already feel about myself.

Curious how you see that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Valach

[Thought Art]

It would be cool if you guys were in Montreal. I’d love to go out with some guys and see you in action. 
 

Im happy with my wins recently. But, for example last night I went out but didn’t really socialize. I didn’t see any girls I was into. But, I feel like if I was with other guys to push me and to see how they do things it would help me grow. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

if I was with other guys to push me

For sure you need that. Solo game is rough.

Find a wingman. Doesn't need to be from this forum. Montreal has many wingmen around. You only need one or two good ones.

And you should approach girls even if you don't like them. Need to do your warm-up sets. Talk to everyone. Talk to the grandma.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[PsychedelicEagle]

26 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

You could be an awesome dude if a girl were to get to know you a bit, but if when you approachbher she just waves you off because you went direct and she was forced to make a decision, then it doesnt matter how amazing you might be.

To some extent. Being direct does not require an immediate decision.

There's the argument that if the girl's initial attraction is borderline to the point she easily dismisses you, you're doing yourself a favor by allowing her to go. Otherwise you wind up with many prospects that start off with low attraction.

Every second you invest in a girl with low baseline attraction is another second you could be investing in a girl with high baseline attraction — the type of girl that would make hanging out with her later so much easier and fun, because she's into you.

26 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

Again, direct game works! I said that in the post too, but it's inoptimal.

What's your concept of optimality? This is of course subjective. For me, optimality weighs the time and effort I invest into the girl with all other life aspects. If your sole goal is to get the girl (e.g., assume you have all the time in the world) then I would agree indirect may increase your chances, but as you include the opportunity cost of not investing in other life aspects then the equation starts to shift in favor of direct game.

Edited 2 hours ago by PsychedelicEagle

[PsychedelicEagle]

13 minutes ago, Valach said:

Another thing I'm wondering about is the whole idea of projecting abundance, confidence or "high value." Isn't there a paradox there? If I genuinely feel worthy and abundant, why would I be thinking about how to appear abundant at all?

Bingo.

[Leo Gura]

You can't be so detached that you don't even approach or talk or dress.

You still need to be in the game to win it.

If you were truly detached you wouldn't even leave your house. But that's too far above dating. If you want to date, you gotta be willing to put in the effort that it requires.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Yes, I know better. I was too complacent last night. However, it’s still a rep. I am aware of the need to talk to people and build state, I’ve done this before while I was here.
 

Sometimes it’s like I’m in this thick gel and everyone seems outside or reach. 
 

I have one more night here I’ll give it another swing. 
 

How can I find wingmen? 
 

thanks,

 

Edited 50 minutes ago by Thought Art

[Zenterus]

Ok, before I respond to anything, I apologize if my tone was a bit harsh in my latest replies. I was responding hastily because I was in the middle of working on something and I didn't have time to really think and formulate my ideas in a more constructive way.

 

@Valach This is the funny thing, actually. The more I develop myself and get rid of my inner insecurity and performative aspects, the more I become aligned with this style of game. It might seem to you that I'm optimizing for the sake of attracting the most women, but the reality is that I came to these conclusions after a lot of contemplation and self inquiry. After a crazy volume of experiences with women, I reached a point where I truly didn't feel aligned with approaching a girl and just stating my intentions directly because THAT started to feel performative. I've had insane abundance with women in my life, and I've realized that unless I actually truly feel connected to the girl, I don't really desire her. I actually do care about who she is and as I develop my social circle, financial abundance and status in my life, holistically, it doesn't make sense for me to approach these women directly. They haven't earned it from me and I don't genuinely feel it. 

Plus, again, high value men don't approach like that, man, they just don't. If you're on your purpose and you're doing awesome shit and you have your tribe and sexual abundance, etc etc, why would you go direct on a girl who you don't even know. Also, this type of approach is antithetical to the girl's experiences when meeting high value guys. If a girl meets a super cool dude in her social circle, she just feels a magnetism towards him and is nervous and excited by the potential she might have with that guy, but she isn't certain if she can have him. I'm basically creating the same narrative and dynamic that a girl typically experiences in her social circle in a cold approach. That's optimal game, @PsychedelicEagle. But as I said, this is advanced advice, it's not for beginners! The reason that I can pull this off very well is because my subcommunications are DIALED IN. I don't need to tell a girl directly that I like her for her to perceive me as a sexual prospect. Attraction is not a choice. If you're THAT GUY, she's gonna feel attracted to you regardless. 

[Alexop]

@Zenterus just open on day game with: -Excuse me, this is kind of strange but... I had a feeling that I need to say hi to you. 

In this way you don't mask your intention. If she responds positively, then go on with creative stuff.

Daygame is cool but in my Scandinavian city, it is kind of hard to do it. Few attractive girls roaming around plus a shy culture. So I mostly stick to third places and meetings.

Night game sucks. Maybe the whole club has 1 or 2 girls that I would find interesting.

Edited 6 minutes ago by Alexop

[Valach]

16 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

Ok, before I respond to anything, I apologize if my tone was a bit harsh in my latest replies. I was responding hastily because I was in the middle of working on something and I didn't have time to really think and formulate my ideas in a more constructive way.

 

@Valach This is the funny thing, actually. The more I develop myself and get rid of my inner insecurity and performative aspects, the more I become aligned with this style of game. It might seem to you that I'm optimizing for the sake of attracting the most women, but the reality is that I came to these conclusions after a lot of contemplation and self inquiry. After a crazy volume of experiences with women, I reached a point where I truly didn't feel aligned with approaching a girl and just stating my intentions directly because THAT started to feel performative. I've had insane abundance with women in my life, and I've realized that unless I actually truly feel connected to the girl, I don't really desire her. I actually do care about who she is and as I develop my social circle, financial abundance and status in my life, holistically, it doesn't make sense for me to approach these women directly. They haven't earned it from me and I don't genuinely feel it. 

Plus, again, high value men don't approach like that, man, they just don't. If you're on your purpose and you're doing awesome shit and you have your tribe and sexual abundance, etc etc, why would you go direct on a girl who you don't even know. Also, this type of approach is antithetical to the girl's experiences when meeting high value guys. If a girl meets a super cool dude in her social circle, she just feels a magnetism towards him and is nervous and excited by the potential she might have with that guy, but she isn't certain if she can have him. I'm basically creating the same narrative and dynamic that a girl typically experiences in her social circle in a cold approach. That's optimal game, @PsychedelicEagle. But as I said, this is advanced advice, it's not for beginners! The reason that I can pull this off very well is because my subcommunications are DIALED IN. I don't need to tell a girl directly that I like her for her to perceive me as a sexual prospect. Attraction is not a choice. If you're THAT GUY, she's gonna feel attracted to you regardless. 

No need to apologize my man, I didn't feel like your tone was harsh at all.

I think I understand your point much better now. It sounds like you're saying indirect became authentic for you rather than something you consciously adopted.

What I'm still wondering is this:

If another man reached the same level of self-esteem and abundance as you, but his authentic personality was simply more expressive and straightforward, would you still consider him lower value because he sometimes tells a woman directly that he finds her attractive?

In other words, do you think high value necessarily leads to one style of expression, or can it manifest differently depending on the person's temperament?