Sri Niagaradasti Enlightenment Story

[Breakingthewall]

47 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes precisely! But isn't this Will in a weird sorta way.  "It cannot be described in any other way" means to me it is willed a certain way.   Now yiu can claim it is a way without will, but still - you are choosing one way over another.  I want you to at least acknowledge that.  I see your brilliance and I see how awake you are.  But I want you to see that.

I'm not saying it to be the one who's right, i do because its totally obvious and if you make a mental frame where an absolute with a will do things it's impossible to open yourself to the absolute, because that will is precisely the relative. 

To open yourself to the absolute, you must completely abandon the relative level, and to do that, you must completely abandon any idea of control. I've spent 300,000 hours (perhaps I'm exaggerating a bit) trying to do this. Sober, on psychedelics, etc.

Will exists, in relation to something. Any will is form. The absolute is the substance of form; it is the fact of being. The absolute being is indifferent to everything; from that perspective, one thing or another is the same, they are possibilities that arise because they are possible.

The slightest microscopic preference completely shuts it down. At the absolute level, "preference" is meaningless, it has no significance, since it is absolute. Preference is relative to something, and will is what aims to any preference.  The absolute is totally free, and to be open to it you have to free your mind of any preference for a while. Not always in your life, that's not necessary, only in meditation being able to jump to a level where there is zero preference, zero will, no difference between a and b. 

[Mellowmarsh]

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

The absolute implies no choice. There is one thing, one way, what is. Only the relative admits choice. To mess with the perfection since it knows better than best.

Exactly this. "Absolute" means no other. No place to go, no change, no movement. Then you could think: ah, the solipsism. But that's again mixing the absolute with the relative. The absolute is not "something" that is always equal, it's being, the fact of existing, what is inherent to anything. But this "quality" is everything, implies totality, limitlessness and it's what ultimately we or anything is. 

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[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly this. "Absolute" means no other. No place to go, no change, no movement. Then you could think: ah, the solipsism. But that's again mixing the absolute with the relative. The absolute is not "something" that is always equal, it's being, the fact of existing, what is inherent to anything. But this "quality" is everything, implies totality, limitlessness and it's what ultimately we or anything is. 

The Absolute of the Distraction.  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly this. "Absolute" means no other. No place to go, no change, no movement. Then you could think: ah, the solipsism. But that's again mixing the absolute with the relative. The absolute is not "something" that is always equal, it's being, the fact of existing, what is inherent to anything. But this "quality" is everything, implies totality, and it's what ultimately we or anything is. 

No one knows this.

You cannot know the absolute because you are it. 

[cetus]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No one knows this.

You cannot know the absolute because you are it. 

In the words of Sri Niagaradasti "Sugar can't taste sugar"

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, cetus said:

In the words of Sri Niagaradasti "Sugar can't taste sugar"

Exactly! 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No one knows this.

You cannot know the absolute because you are it. 

You can totally know yourself, you are the eye of the reality, and with this eye the absolute see itself and knows itself totally, without the slightest lack. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, cetus said:

In the words of Sri Niagaradasti "Sugar can't taste sugar"

The Absolute is the unmanifest source of everything. Consciousness in the body is the window through which the Absolute looks at itself.

Nisgardatta 

 

You are the Absolute manifesting as this body in order to experience existence. Without the human form, the unmanifest remains in its own silence, without the sensation of being.

Nisgardatta 

 

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[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can totally know yourself, you are the eye of the reality, and with this eye the absolute see itself and knows itself totally, without the slightest lack. 

No one knows this. You are the knowing that cannot be known.

 

( Your self ) implies an object known. That which is Known, knows nothing.

 

“ If the "Absolute" implies an all-encompassing unity, any attempt by a part to know the whole creates a separation. To know an object, a subject-object split is required, which contradicts the very nature of absolute oneness. 

This logic—often explored in Eastern philosophies like Advaita Vedanta or Western mysticism—suggests that you can only be the Absolute, not observe it objectively. The moment you try to conceptualize it, you turn it into a relative thought. “

 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's very simple: the absolute is the fact of being; it cannot be described in any other way

 

 

- Sounds like will to me.  Just saying.  Bro do a retreat or something. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

the "Absolute" implies an all-encompassing unity, any attempt by a part to know the whole creates a separation. To know an object, a subject-object split is required, which contradicts the very nature of absolute oneness. 

This logic—often explored in Eastern philosophies like Advaita Vedanta or Western mysticism—suggests that you can only be the Absolute, not observe it objectively. The moment you try to conceptualize it, you turn it into a relative thought. “

The part is the totality and being the absolute is knowing it because you are a mind conscious of itself. You can conceptualize the absolute, it's easy: it's absolute. Conceptualized. 

[cetus]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 Without the human form, the unmanifest remains in its own silence, without the sensation of being.

This describes my first experience of no-self to a "T".

[Inliytened1]

@Breakingthewall  So which one is it? Do you still believe in a physical universe? Fool.  If you do i would beg you come forward now and kneel so I can take your head.

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[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 So which one is it? Do you still veliebe in a physical universe? Fool.  If you do i would beg you come forward now and kneel so I can take your head.

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

Just fucking with him, shit. Sword is sheathed. 

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[Inliytened1]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The part is the totality and being the absolute is knowing it because you are a mind conscious of itself. You can conceptualize the absolute, it's easy: it's absolute. Conceptualized. 

I thought you said there couldn't be minds because it was open infinity  

[cetus]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No one knows this. You are the knowing that cannot be known.

 I'm a rainbow.

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Breakingthewall  So which one is it? Do you still believe in a physical universe? Fool.  If you do i would beg you come forward now and kneel so I can take your head.

Before saying such things learn a bit about physics. 

Start with Einstein, then try to understand Penrose for example 

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[Wilhelm44]

40 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Before saying such things learn a bit about physics. 

@Inliytened1  You done for now, Breakingthewall is really good with science.