Leo, how is your dream still intact.

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You're doing it again.  The thing @Carl-Richard hates.  Stop being grandiose.

"Hate" is a strong word. It's more like call it what it is when it's brought attention to rather than ignore it or be in denial. And of course when grandiosity is defended through less than kind and virtuous means, that should also be called what it is.

[Someone here]

@zurew Could you at least criticize politely?  I feel like you  don’t even care about learning from Leo or simply feeling disappointed about him not keeping up his words .. but you just rant rudely against him and make fun of him  and obviously crossing lines. This is no longer criticism but trolling him mercilessly .. please exercise some mindfulness and present your critique in a polished way . 

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[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Hate" is a strong word. It's more like call it what it is when it's brought attention to rather than ignore it or be in denial. And of course when grandiosity is defended through less than kind and virtuous means, that should also be called what it is.

Yeah sorry.

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@zurew Could you at least criticize politely?  I feel like you  don’t even care about learning from Leo or simply feeling disappointed about him not keeping up his words .. but you just rant rudely against him and make fun of him  and obviously crossing lines. This is no longer criticism but trolling him mercilessly .. please exercise some mindfulness and present your critique in a polished way . 

I don't see that at all.  He is very polished in his critiques.  I think maybe it's you.  Again stop putting all your eggs in one basket.  Leo was a great teacher.  But now you need to grow your own legs.   You're bright enough.  You don't need him anymore.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't see that at all.  He is very polished in his critiques.  I think maybe it's you.  Again stop putting all your eggs in one basket.  Leo was a great teacher.  But now you need to grow your own legs.   You're bright enough.  You don't need him anymore.

How on earth is this polish ? This is a textbook definition of ranting like a maniac and expressing hatred towards Leo himself instead of his views .

2 hours ago, zurew said:

You do not understand your own claims, since you couldn't deliver on any of them.

To be extremely clear on this, you haven't delivered once on your miracle claims or your alien transformation claim, and you still refuse to adjust your claims or your credence regarding those claims.

You pretend to know much more than you actually do. If you knew how this shit worked, you would have already delivered on your claims and wouldn't just talk big with 0 results after years of failure.

The only thing we have seen so far from you is you talking grandiose about yourself, you making excuses and delivering 0 empirical results with respect to your empirical claims. But sure, sure—we are the ones who don't know what we are talking about, while you do. That's why, once again, you haven't demonstrated shit yet.

 

I guess we are in the infinitely "sit tight" period and you are in the "I will make infinite excuses why I cant deliver on my own claims and I will infinitely weasel my way out of my own standards" period, right?

Anything but having the spine and the epistemic responsibility to own up to your own claims and to your own standards.

The camera was the issue and not your lack of understanding of how reality works, right?

 

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

How on earth is this polish ? This is a textbook definition of ranting like a maniac and expressing hatred towards Leo himself instead of his views .

 

OK to be fair.

@zurew he has made good on all claims from my perspective other than the alien thing.  Which I dont even know if it is a thing.  But I validated everything he has ever said in his videos and all of it is true.  He by far surpasses all teachers that I have encountered.   Unfortunately there is a cost for his pioneering.  He seems to have gone a bit insane.  This is where I and he cross roads.

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[Carl-Richard]

If Leo wanted to end his beef with non-dual spiritual people, he would go in the philosopher direction of finding an own term for what he is about rather than siphon it under existing words like "consciousness" or "awakening". That's the true alpha/sigma move. Then you can actually say "you don't know what I'm talking about" and it would make more sense. But if you instead want to use existing terms and create a hierarchy where you're on the top and you get to judge and compare, then of course it makes sense to keep using the same terms.

The point of convergence is that what non-dual people call fantasy and Maya (forms, experiences), Leo calls higher levels of consciousness. Some suggestions: Infinitability — the degree to which you have uncovered the realm of form through your experience, approaching the infinite. Formiousness. Multitudiousness. Experienciousness. Leo can still use words like consciousness and awakening, but if he also gives such definitions for the ways in which he is different from other approaches (I believe existing terms like "Alien Consciousness" are ill-defined and don't capture his larger approach), it's more understandable to act as a leading (if not a #1) arbiter of that perspective.

This is not a new suggestion of mine, I suggested this 5 years ago with the "psychonautics vs spirituality" distinction. But this is perhaps more descriptive of the ontological differences rather than the methodological ones (psychonautics, with its association to psychedelics, can tend to be viewed more as a method than what is being aimed at).

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[Someone here]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He seems to have gone a bit insane.

You appear to make pretty wild claims lately  without warranty and take it to extreme pipe dreams .
Go watch his latest series on deconstructing rationally (as an example )..that’s some world class philosophy.  how could a mentally ill person show such exceptional mental capacity?
please explain in detail what do you mean by “insane “?  

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[OBEler]

"How about you guys chill and just trust me on this?

I will show you Alien Awakening that will absolutely blow your mind. When I finally post it on Youtube, people's jaws will drop. My Awakening will contradict 5000 years of spiritual teaching. And it won't just be words, you will visually see me morph into an Alien Intelligence. And if I don't, then you can call out my bullshit.

Until then, sit tight."

@Leo Gura What happened here, were you on drugs while posting this? It would be great to clarify what happened here or if you think this would still be possible. 

@Others here who attack Leo. Please understand how difficult it is for Leo to let that out. Leo could just keep his thoughts in secret. If you discover new things in spirituality which is half baked, you are very vulnerable. Everyone here should not attack each other when someone tries to express what he discovered.

Better attack Sadghuru who discovered an alien in form of energy on a lake.

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[zurew]

@Someone here dont pretend that you care about tone.

You havent once engaged substantively with any of my criticism in the other thread - you only emotionally  bashed out like a good leo acolyte.

You dont have the spine to stand up when leo use harsh rhetoric or when he undermines the cognition of other people , so dont babysit your tier 2 god now, he can take it.

 I also heard from one Leo Gura guy that this rhetoric is effective against closed-minded people.

Answer the question - where is his empircal delivery on the transforsformation claim or on the healing claim?

 

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The point of convergence is that what non-dual people call fantasy and Maya (forms, experiences), Leo calls higher levels of consciousness

I have no idea what you are rambling on about.  You do this all the time. You want to sound like you are the smartest guy in the room but if you are going to be that than at least have direction.  Please explain what you are talking about with higher levels of consciousness.  Do you mean mystical experiences or what I and he would say an elevated level of consciousness.  Meaning an infinite state.  How is that different from Maya. 

And why would he have to change words around.   That is your projection of it being a problem. He doesn't have to alter the language for you.

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[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I have no idea what you are rambling on about.  You do this all the time. You want to sound like you are the smartest guy in the room but if you are going to be that than that least have direction.

Bruh 😂

 

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Please explain what you are talking about with higher levels of consciousness.  Do you mean a mystical experiences or what I and he would say an elevated level of consciousness.  Meaning an infinite state.  How is that different from Maya. 

When he says being a backflipping alien mouse is one of the highest states of consciousness he has been in, a non-dual person would say that's Maya/illusion/form/"experience". When a non-dual person talks about "higher consciousness", they don't talk about alien mice or turning into an alien on camera. They talk about something more "vacuous", like Being, presence, is-ness. And that's not Maya, it's truth.

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Bruh 😂

 

When he says being a backflipping alien mouse is one of the highest states of consciousness he has been in, a non-dual person would say that's Maya/illusion/form/"experience". When a non-dual person talks about "higher consciousness", they don't talk about alien mice or turning into an alien on camera. They talk about something more "vacuous", like Being, presence, is-ness.

Well.  First off..there is something inherently very wrong with the statement "a non-dual person would do this".  If you have to classify me as a non-dual person than just shoot me now.  Because id rather be dead than be a Jim Newman or a Tony Parsons.  So if Leo had his own fucking God day as an alien rat why should I give a fuck 

[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You appear to make pretty wild claims lately  without warranty and take it to extreme pipe dreams .
Go watch his latest series on deconstructing rationally (as an example )..that’s some world class philosophy.  how could a mentally ill person show such exceptional mental capacity?
please explain in detail what do you mean by “insane “?  

I understand that i use the word insane very loosely.  The best way to put it is i felt like I was losing my mind when solipsism dawned. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well.  First off..there is something inherently very wrong with the statement "a non-dual person would do this".  If you have to classify me as a non-dual person than just shoot me now.  Because id rather be dead than be a Jim Newman or a Tony Parsons.  So if Leo had his own fucking God day as an alien rat why should I give a fuck 

If you want to categorize Leo as grandiose, you can at least categorize yourself as a non-dual person. Non-dual people tend to be allergic to categorization, so that's not far off And some of them seem to be allergic to categorization more when it suits them rather than as a consistent principle 🤭

If you don't get the point of talking of one's own view in clear terms and not conflating one's view with others, then do that. I'm just providing a suggestion, something which I think makes sense.

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, zurew said:

@Someone here dont pretend that you care about tone.

You havent once engaged substantively with any of my criticism in the other thread - you only emotionally  bashed out like a good leo acolyte.

You dont have the spine to stand up when leo use harsh rhetoric or when he undermines the cognition of other people , so dont babysit your tier 2 god now, he can take it.

 I also heard from one Leo Gura guy that this rhetoric is effective against closed-minded people.

Answer the question - where is his empircal delivery on the transforsformation claim or on the healing claim?

I honestly have no idea what happened with his claim that he would demonstrate an alien transformation on camera. Only Leo knows what actually happened.. unfortunately he still hasn’t clarified it..but instead he’s offered excuses that avoid addressing the obvious possibility that it was another psychedelic experience he misinterpreted As @UnbornTao suggests.

That said..this is exactly why I don’t see the value in aggressively attacking him. People make mistakes. Humans get things wrong.If he’s mistaken then criticize the claim..point out the inconsistencies..and move on.

What I don’t understand is the endless hostile rants. They accomplish nothing. They don’t help us..they don’t help Leo and they don’t bring anyone closer to the truth. All they do is fuel ego battles between keyboard warriors and deepen the divide instead of creating any chance for understanding or meaningful discussion.

If the goal is  understanding each others then criticism should be rational and polite .If the goal is just to vent outrage and score points..that’s a different conversation. 

And stop calling me a Leo fanboy . It’s not like I hang out with him everyday ..I just watch him on a screen .

 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you want to categorize Leo as grandiose, you can at least categorize yourself as a non-dual person. Non-dual people tend to be allergic to categorization, so that's not far off And some of them seem to be allergic to categorization more when it suits them rather than as a consistent principle 🤭

If you don't get the point of talking of one's own view in clear terms and not conflating one's view with others, then do that. I'm just providing a suggestion, something which I think makes sense.

I don't categorize him as being grandiose.  I just called him out when I saw his narcissism coming out this time. And he claimed it was not that, but that he was leading us to some crazy enlightened state that no other human had experienced.  Well.  I call bullshit and I called him out.   But I am not putting him in a different bucket from teachers like Ralston or Spira.  He still deserves those accolades.   He has some great material.  But even he would tell you its time to drop the teacher when its time. 

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[Jirh]

On 10/07/2026 at 8:57 PM, Leo Gura said:

For the floor to melt requires a degree of consciousness that no human has, not even a clinically insane human.

You guys are just underestimating how many degrees and layers to Consciousness there are. The floor exists on such a deep layer that Buddha himself could not wish it away.

Awakening does not change the world, it changes awareness of the world.

I don't see the connection.

A change in regular perception is called a hallucination. It means you're on a different frequency. It could be any level of frequency.

Anyone can take LSD and experience hallucinations. That doesn't necessarily awaken them.

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't categorize him as being grandiose.  I just called him out when I saw his narcissism coming out this time. And he claimed it was not that, but that he was leading us to some crazy enlightened state that no other human had experienced.  Well.  I call bullshit and I called him out.

"I don't categorize him, I just describe him using a category". 🥴

 

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But I am not putting him in a different bucket from teachers like Ralston or Spira.  He still deserves those accolades.   He has some great material.  But even he would tell you its time to drop the teacher when its time. 

Well, I don't care about "accolades" or "being a great teacher like those others". I care about what is actually being said.

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

"I don't categorize him, I just describe him using a category". 🥴

 

Well, I don't care about "accolades" or "being a great teacher like those others". I care about what is actually being said.

100 percent correct  But life is about your personal relationships.  That is what it comes down to.  And if you have made a personal bond with Leo. Which you did - are you willing to so quickly throw him away?  Maybe help him learn and grow.  And that is what you have been doing and I so appreciate you for that. Your intelligence has been a shining star here for all of us. But we are all on the same team.