Leo, how is your dream still intact.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Inception said:

The question still remains, if you’re awake how come your floor isn’t melting like you talked about in that video.

It doesn't work like that. You exist in certain states of Consciousness. This state is to keep this particular reality intact. If you could melt the floors it would undermine all of the rules put in place by you to make this place appear physically sound and real. 

Edited Friday at 06:11 PM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

Hah  You can always say - I'm just gonna melt the floors. And thats it just to prove it. But then what is next? Making the sky disappear? Before you know it it is all unraveled and you are stuck picking up the pieces. 

[vibv]

55 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No one has it because you put yourself in a jail cell and threw out the key. It was the ONLY way.  All other ways were too easy.

True.

No one can HANDLE such degrees of consciousness. Being clinically insane is a really relaxing beach vacation compared to that.

[UnbornTao]

Mental breakdowns are not awakening. 

Take some time to ground yourself, and don't take your beliefs so seriously.

Edited Friday at 09:50 PM by UnbornTao

[Inliytened1]

49 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Mental breakdowns are not awakening. 

Take some time to ground yourself, and don't take your beliefs so seriously.

You will go insane when you awake. Everything collapses.

[UnbornTao]

41 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You will go insane when you awake. Everything collapses.

No, don't spread nonsense. You just realize what's already true. 

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

No, don't spread nonsense. You just realize what's already true. 

As we have stated spirituality is not a joke. It will break your mind. Mysticism is no laughing matter.  But you do come back and can then integrate.  But this is why psychedelics are so dangerous. Meditation is equally so it's just that for most meditation doesn't do anything or bring about a mystical experience. If it did the results would be the same.  Self and other collapses. That is to me insanity.   There are other definitions. But I went insane on my final awakening when I realized I was completely imagining the universe as God. That i was you.  That is not conceptual that becomes actual. How then if it is actual can I be you and me simultaneously, let alone everyone and everything else. That is a job reserved for the Godhead.

Edited Friday at 11:46 PM by Inliytened1

[Osaid]

The Buddha couldn't even do a backflip. It requires another level of consciousness to do a backflip, and no amount of meditation will help you.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Osaid said:

The Buddha couldn't even do a backflip. It requires another level of consciousness to do a backflip, and no amount of meditation will help you.

Haha. I would have liked to see that one.

Edited yesterday at 12:18 AM by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

As we have stated spirituality is not a joke. It will break your mind. Mysticism is no laughing matter.  But you do come back and can then integrate.  But this is why psychedelics are so dangerous. Meditation is equally so it's just that for most meditation doesn't do anything or bring about a mystical experience. If it did the results would be the same.  Self and other collapses. That is to me insanity.   There are other definitions. But I went insane on my final awakening when I realized I was completely imagining the universe as God. That i was you.  That is not conceptual that becomes actual. How then if it is actual can I be you and me simultaneously, let alone everyone and everything else. That is a job reserved for the Godhead.

You're going off Leo's script about INSANITY and all that nonsense. I like to bring up Ramana. What do you think happened to him? He just recognized the truth of his nature, and profoundly so.

We have a lot of romantic ideals about these matters. And we certainly conflate experiences with consciousness all the time.

Becoming conscious promotes freedom, and what you mention may occur as side effects of intense practice, but I was talking about "awakening," not spirituality or psychedelics. The effects you talk about are a function of the mind doing it. If they're negative, that may hint that it isn't really a breakthrough. What's true is true already, and you're doing fine. The effects can occur even without any breakthrough, so one can convince himself or herself that since he's experiencing the prescribed effects, he's having awakenings.

Edited 22 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Becoming conscious promotes freedom, and what you mention may occur as side effects of intense practice, but I was talking about "awakening," not spirituality or psychedelics. The effects you talk about are a function of the mind doing it. If they're negative, that may hint that it isn't really a breakthrough. What's true is true already, and you're doing fine. The effects can occur even without any breakthrough, so one can convince himself or herself that since he's experiencing the prescribed effects, he's having awakenings.

That is not God-Realization.

I'm serious.

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is not God-Realization.

I'm serious.

What isn't? 

Nor is it any kind of experience, but here we are. 

I'm serious, too.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What isn't? 

Nor is it any kind of experience, but here we are. 

I'm serious, too.

You are serious, but you are mistaken.

Yes, God-Realization is an experience, just as ignorance of God is an experience.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You are serious, but you are mistaken.

Yes, God-Realization is an experience, just as ignorance of God is an experience.

You are mistaken. 

If you think it is an experience, that explains a lot. 

[Sugarcoat]

So peak experiences means youre awake? 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

So peak experiences means youre awake? 

It means you became conscious of God. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

You are mistaken. 

If you think it is an experience, that explains a lot. 

You are hallucinating the category "experience".

What you call experience is Truth.

Whatever categories you wanna use, they are all imaginary.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Razard86]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

As we have stated spirituality is not a joke. It will break your mind. Mysticism is no laughing matter.  But you do come back and can then integrate.  But this is why psychedelics are so dangerous. Meditation is equally so it's just that for most meditation doesn't do anything or bring about a mystical experience. If it did the results would be the same.  Self and other collapses. That is to me insanity.   There are other definitions. But I went insane on my final awakening when I realized I was completely imagining the universe as God. That i was you.  That is not conceptual that becomes actual. How then if it is actual can I be you and me simultaneously, let alone everyone and everything else. That is a job reserved for the Godhead.

You are right that awakening is actually insanity if you go deep enough, which is why anti-psychotic medicine is so beneficial to the Spiritual Process. What many people don't realize is we are literally walking in INSANITY already. Right now you are walking around talking to different versions of you that you are hallucinating. Please explain to me how this isn't multiple personality disorder which is called dissociative disorder. 

You see the people who have multiple personality disorder actually have it twice. First the world, then their human mind. How do I know this? Because I created a personality in my own mind to study how Infinity is doing it in the surrounding world and it was amazingly educational. You really create the sense of separation by hiding Oneness from those parts of you. Its actually quite hilarious that Infinite Intelligence made it self stupid on purpose. 

You are the I AM, and you created the concept of strangers. Its hilarious because if I come to your house and you don't let me walk inside your house you are literally telling your creator I don't want you to come inside the house that you created. You know how stupid that is? It's very funny its literally a Cosmic Joke!!! But hey all parts of God are equally Sovereign so that's the way it is.

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It means you became conscious of God. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thats very clear answer and I think I understand what you mean on an intellectual level as I've not had those. But what I see here on the forum is that there are all these other people who, from my POV, are just blatantly misinterpreting so much, thats the impression I get from reading here a lot. And I mean in particular people who seem to have kind of adapted your worldview (or what they think is your worldview but they may be misinterpreting) and then they're just viewing spirituality and judging spiritual teachers etc from that lense they've adopted. I've thought about this so many times but it seems endless discussions, and not many people are actually open to changing...

Edited 22 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thats very clear answer and I think I understand what you mean on an intellectual level as I've not had those. But what I see here on the forum is that there are all these other people who, from my POV, are just blatantly misinterpreting so much, thats the impression I get from reading here a lot. And I mean in particular people who seem to have kind of adapted your worldview (or what they think is your worldview but they may be misinterpreting) and then they're just viewing spirituality and judging spiritual teachers etc from that lense they've adopted. I've thought about this so many times but it seems endless discussions, and not many people are actually open to changing...

Understanding God/Consciousness is the most challenging, trickiest thing in existence. I'm dead serious about that point. There are many, many degrees, depths, and even kinds of Consciousness of God. Way more than anyone understands. All of this confusion arises because people are experiencing different degrees, depths, and even kinds of Awakening. Or even worse, they aren't reaching Awakening at all, they getting something else and confusing it with Awakening/God.

This domain is just unimaginably diverse. That's why there is so much spiritual disagreement. People are arguing over different things, talking past each other. This has been going on for 10,000 years.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura