So I awakened to the Highest Truth Again

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 The ultimate experience is of life not happening, but its still there. When you are in that state you cant know you are there but you can experience it and can come back and say that state exists. If you experience the state and recognize it as yourself you are immortal. 

If its the first time you die with the same identity you are just gone.

If you die before you die you never die again. That means you entered the space of no experience and recognized yourself and become immortal.

And you the state of no experience is happening alongside with the state of experience. The state of no experience is happening right now. Close your eyes do you see it? The darkness of no experience is still happening even with your eyes open even when you go to sleep even when you dream even when you are awake the state of no experience never goes away.

Edited 4 hours ago by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So when you look at things you see nothing illusory (maya), dreamlike or imagined ?

(I mean like when the body dies, you don't really die.)

So my question is: what is your definition of "real" ?

No, there is no maya, there is only the reality. When the body dies you as human die, the reality remains. What you are is the reality expressed as a human, this expression disappear. 

41 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But it's not possible to live continuously in that state of peak mystical experience.

(Yet you seemed to describe it as the ultimate goal)

You can't live in a peak state because you would die, but you can live open to your true nature all time.

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Animals do things mechanically that aid their survival without consciously knowing what they are doing or why.

When a cat pees on a tree to mark its territory, it doesn't understand it is marking territory. But it is still effective at keeping others away.

When a baby cries, the baby does not know why it is crying, but it still succeeds at it.

In a sense is all of life not actually happening impersonally and automatically like this ?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

In a sense is all of life not actually happening impersonally and automatically like this ?

No.

There is a difference betweening doing things consciously vs mechanically.

When a human builds a nest, he thinks it is his. This is different from a bird. It is a subtle, conceptual difference, not a material difference.

Ego claims things. Animals don't have much ego even though they behave selfishly instictively. There is an important difference between ego and just mechanical survival instinct.

Humans do things very personally. That's the difference. Ego makes the impersonal personal.

You are saying, "Isn't all of life egoless?" And the answer is clearly No, since humans are full of ego.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No.

There is a difference betweening doing things consciously vs mechanically.

When a human builds a nest, he thinks it is his. This different from a bird.

I could be wrong, but has neuroscience not somehow proved that freewill is somehow an illusion, ie we think we are the thinker, but actually ultimately thoughts are just happening. Life is happening automatically by itself, ie we not in control.

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 Its like they are dreaming. 

[Wilhelm44]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

become immortal.

Were you ever really not immortal ?

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I could be wrong, but has neuroscience not somehow proved that freewill is somehow an illusion, ie we think we are the thinker, but actually ultimately thoughts are just happening. Life is happening automatically by itself, ie we not in control.

Neuroscience does not understand consciousness, so that is a poor source to cite here.

Regardless of the free will debate, there is clearly a difference between egoic and egoless action.

But actually, neuroscience could tell you there is a difference between egoic behavior and non-egoic behavior. They are neurologically different.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, there is no maya, there is only the reality.

You kinda need to see through maya first to realize that, right ?

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 We are all immortal but you can be aware of it or not aware of it, when you become aware of it you awaken. if you become aware of your immortality your body will physically change you will have electricity running through your body you didnt know exists. Its like the light and electricity powering your body recognizes itself and goes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

Again, this dismissal of the self also dismisses actual relation.  It is a way to neg someone or negate someone by claiming they have too much I -- but really the people doing this are hiding behind the scenes too.  Hiding behind a fence.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

An animal does not have a concept of ownership or property, but it does fight over things it needs to survive.

I can eat your cake without ever thinking it is "my" cake. You can pee on a tree without ever thinking, "this tree is now mine".

There is a day of Ramana maharsi,

"Good or bad is only belongs to mind. When mind is transcends, all left is Truth itself."

And one more from Prophet Muhammad SAV:

"There is nothing, But only Allah" or "All is one, one is all".

[TheEnigma]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Neuroscience does not understand consciousness, so that is a poor source to cite here.

Regardless of the free will debate, there is clearly a difference between egoic and egoless action.

But actually, neuroscience could tell you there is a difference between egoic behavior and non-egoic behavior. They are neurologically different.

How come whenever I get too philosophical or meta around most Christians it just stirs up so much anger/fear/hatred in them? They either want to correct me, or have to bite their tongue, or they just blow up.

Edited 2 hours ago by TheEnigma

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

In a sense is all of life not actually happening impersonally and automatically like this ?

Life is just absolutely being, always here, and never not here.Not actually being anything, except in this conception.

But then notice how thoughts arise, arising as both the personal and impersonal. The sense of a separate self arises when there is ownership of the thought “I” but notice the content of the thought is what carries the “I”..that’s the illusion.

The illusion is just the one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

Labels tell a story, but the story is a fiction constructed of thoughts that arise and fall, so thoughts are nothing of anything significance really, except in this conception, which is the illusory dream of separation.

[Joseph Maynor]

This no separate self thing gets old just like the no self thing IMO.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, TheEnigma said:

How come whenever I get too philosophical or meta around most Christians it just stirs up so much anger/fear/hatred in them?

Of course. How else could it be? Christianity is a dogmatic belief system, it is not about questioning Reality. When you question a Christian, you threaten their belief system and the ego that resides within it.

You assume that Christians want to question Reality and get to the Truth, like you. But NO! They have no interest in that at all. Their only interest is in promoting their belief system.

Questioning destroys Christianity, so if you do that too much they will call you Satanic.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura