Leo's perspective on suicide?

[Joseph Maynor]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I too did a lot of research. MND is idiopathic in nature, but there is some genetic causes also, I believe?

One pattern we came across was pesticides. My aunt grew up in an area of Australia (farming and agriculture) that has a large quantity of cases of MND in a small locale. Farmland. The hospitals noticed the large volume of cases from the one area and a small information, research and support group was founded. They are currently doing investigation but it is suspected agricultural pesticides may be a contributing factor. 

My aunt swam every day in the rivers in the area.... diagnosed with MND after a lot of confusion and misdiagnosis for 16months. She is 70 years old.

Pesticides can be an issue especially if you are relying on ground water.  

[Mellowmarsh]

Everything becomes dangerous for your mental health, only when you believe you have a mind of your own. A owned mind is the creator of fear, life and death, that it believes to be real, and the fear of death is also the fear of life. The mind fears not being alive even as it is alive, its already fearing its own death and of not being alive, and so everything thought about starts to feel dangerous.

 

In reality, nothing ever harmed you except the false attachment to your own self created mind. You are always safe in the space of the place where you were never born, and never died. Only the mind is born. The mind trap is a self inflicted trap of its own making, a synthetic simulation of a living brain interfacing with an external reality of its own creation,albeit illusory.
 

No one was ever harmed in the making of this movie. No one was ever in danger of losing a life they never had in the first place. Because there’s no one taking a stand by means of holding the position of first or last place here in limitless space.

God said: I hang the entire world upon nothing. The world is my mind,  ultimately, nothing is missing.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I too did a lot of research. MND is idiopathic in nature, but there is some genetic causes also, I believe?

One pattern we came across was pesticides. My aunt grew up in an area of Australia (farming and agriculture) that has a large quantity of cases of MND in a small locale. Farmland. The hospitals noticed the large volume of cases from the one area and a small information, research and support group was founded. They are currently doing investigation but it is suspected agricultural pesticides may be a contributing factor. 

My aunt swam every day in the rivers in the area.... diagnosed with MND after a lot of confusion and misdiagnosis for 16months. She is 70 years old.

6 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

From what I've read, there was a high incidence in the Italian football league, and the reason was never determined. It was also seen in former professional athletes and military personnel, and on the island of Guam for a few years.

The point is, the triggers can be many, but the process itself is not understood. There is a genetic form of ALS, but it behaves differently. The latest research suggests that ALS is not a single disease but something triggered by multiple factors, perhaps a prion or mitochondrial component.

Not only are motor neurons affected, but many other cells as well. However, motor neurons are extremely demanding cells, with axons up to half a meter long, and are the most susceptible to dying.

[Someone here]

15 hours ago, Joshe said:

I agree with you. My point is about communication.

99% of the time, people contemplating suicide are not the people you described - they're just people going through a rough patch and looking for reasons to go through with it or not.

Imagine someone pops up a thread saying they want to off themselves and then a bunch of people are like "don't do it bruh, suicide is never the answer" and then some epistemic genius chimes in "well, actually, if the person is suffering enough, it can be the right answer." How is that not reckless and weird? 

Also, imagine a respected leader said "suicide is sometimes the right answer" 225 times to a community that regularly deals with suicidal thoughts. How is this not reckless and weird? 

The alternative is to just never say it - keep it to yourself to avoid inadvertently contributing to immense suffering. 

I totally disagree .

The suggestion seems to be that Leo should soften his views or totally lie about them to avoid the possibility that someone might misuse his words and kill themselves . Leo’s words alone can  never cause another person to take their own life. Leo’s work is fundamentally about pursuing and communicating “ The Truth” (or at least what he thinks is the truth )..not muddying his message to avoid every possible misunderstanding. If the subject of death or suicide arises  then it should be discussed honestly and rigorously rather than avoided or distorted out of fear of how a small minority of people might interpret it. You want him to straight away lie about his honest opinion on suicide just so that no one will kill himself ? Nope . It’s none of his business that a lot of people are suicidal here.

A spirituality forum is   NOT a psychiatric hospital.Its purpose is to explore ideas including difficult and controversial ones. That doesn’t mean people should be reckless or insensitive.. but it does mean that discussions cannot be  silenced by the most vulnerable possible audience.  Otherwise meaningful inquiry becomes nearly impossible. 

The forum already makes this distinction clear. It includes guidelines and disclaimers stating that it is a place for discussion..not a substitute for professional mental health care.  Someone going on some forum and reading a guy saying “death is love “ and then kill himself is such a cartoonish thing to believe. Who would actually do that ? Do you think  people lack basic common sense or reasoning?  People who kill themselves do that because they are not seeing any hope or light at the end of the tunnel of their daily hellish suffering.