Leo's perspective on suicide?

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Bashar said:

Tfw that's me😅

Would you open up about the specifics?

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

By saying Leo has to self-censor because he's public, you're admitting you already know public speech about this carries serious consequences. You're writing in public right now and it will potentially be read by thousands of people, some of whom will be looking for reasons to justify killing themselves. When one of them finds twenty posts like yours, each one contributes. IDK how this isn't obvious. 

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

 

 

 

Catholic church already castrate enough the individual freedom with their philosophy of absolute terror , nothing happens if some voices of freedom sounds sometimes . Leo maybe should be, let's say ambiguous, but not because the suicidal people, because his interest and possible responsibility. 

Anyway, for me suicide is absolutely impossible unless being so sick without hope that your life is hell. If your health is ok, just fight, anything else is being an absolute coward imo. 

I don't know if there is reincarnation or anything similar but intuitively I feel that this life has consequences. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Which is why I said:

"Life is a gift. Figure out how to make it work."

You deliberately leave that out.

My position is the nuanced one. Not yours. You only think about the majority but not the truly stuck minority.

Telling people not to commit suicide does not stop suicide. This misunderstands how serious suicide is. Suicide is so serious that talking someone down from it is not going to work in a serious case. Your words do nothing to ease their daily suffering.

"Don't do it, brah" is not a serious solution.

I once had a bad trip that was so bad, I literally almost committed suicide. I had asked God to teach me why evil existed in the world and why anyone would want to commit suicide since life is so precious. God responded by answering my query by hallucinating Satan and Satan tormented me by hallucinating situations that showed me that I had no control over my life. Basically I lost control over my mind, and got to find out what Insanity is.

Since your mind is the Universe you can literally hallucinate events like people doing things, technology doing things for example I went out for a drive and I hallucinated my GPS refusing to work and I got completely lost and couldn't get home. Also since I was hallucinating Satan, Satan would hit me with painful sensations in my body and then laugh and mock me that it had control over my life and my life was ruined. So in my anger and defiance I drove to a gun pawn shop (found it by chance) and walked in and asked for the cheapest gun and bullets. The store owner lied and said he was out of ammunition.

When I walked in, it was like they KNEW I wanted to kill myself without them knowing. Anyway I eventually was able to get to the hospital and get some anti-psychotics. I now know why someone would commit suicide. First of all you cannot blame ANYONE for that decision. The only reason a person commits suicide is because they believe they have zero control in this world of survival to create a life for themselves that they can at least tolerate. 

No matter who you are, you are NOT above suicide. All that has happened in your situation is life hasn't gotten bad enough for you that you think it isn't worth living. With that said, I don't regret the experience I had because it taught me ALOT.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

There is evidence to support the claim that open, responsible conversations about suicide are generally more protective in the long run, over silence or non allowance. Blanket bans on these sorts of topics can lead to possibilities of inducing shame, isolation and mistakenly creating beliefs we are not allowed to speak on these topics.

The evidence does NOT show talking about suicide always prevents suicide, or that any discussion is beneficial.

A lot of this topic is tightly woven into questions around sovereignty/agency, personal responsibility and ethics.

Terminal health diagnosis that cement us into a slowly declining quality of life often lead to suicidal thoughts as a possible solution.

I know my relative who was recently diagnosed with MND is seriously considering assisted suicide.

At the end of the day it's always how, by whom, and in what context suicide is talked about.

Edited 13 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[vibv]

@Razard86 Thanks for sharing! My whole experience is kinda hellish since some psychedelic experiences a while ago, but I try to embrace it.

I know it can and will be overcome. It teaches me so much, not least of which is the ability to generate HOPE out of thin air.

Edited 6 hours ago by vibv

[Someone here]

15 hours ago, Joshe said:

Even if it's not true, the correct position on suicide is "It's always bad and you should never do it under any circumstances."

 

Sorry but what’s the argument for that?

Euthanasia can be morally justified in cases of hopeless unbearable suffering. It’s easy to underestimate the kinds of suffering that exist in this world until you witness them firsthand.

If someone as intelligent and self-aware as Leo contemplated suicide because of some  stomach or digestive problems imagine what people with far more devastating conditions might endure. Think of elderly people who are completely disabled and have lost all independence or those who are incontinent and require constant care. Think of someone who has lost both arms or legs in a war or someone who survived a fire but suffered catastrophic burns over most of their body.ther are also children born with extremely rare and severe genetic disorders like two  heads  stuck in one body 

Go spend some time in a hospital’s emergency room or intensive care unit. You’ll see that unimaginable suffering is a reality for many people. euthanasia can be morally valid in certain extreme cases where there is no realistic hope of recovery and the suffering is unbearable.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Someone here