Leo's perspective on suicide?

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Vynce said:

did you just establish your public position to be morally against suicide in almost any case

Obviously I am not going to endorse suicide.

Life is a gift. Figure out how to make it work.

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Vynce said:

But how cool would it be, if there was an ultra deep reason as to why suicide is metaphysical inferior to dreaming on

He obviously must give a diplomatic enough answer. You know that certain people on this community have committed suicide in the past and we don’t want this tragedy happening again . Obviously it’s a sensitive topic and Leo has to be careful not to beat you over the head with the truth . 
the truth is god doesn’t care about your suffering. God has bigger concerns than soothing the pain of a little speck of dust lost in infinite desert. He clearly stated that existentially speaking there is no ought and especially no negative value to suicide . 
He also said you can’t generalize it like that and say suicide is always a mistake . Obviously if you are in chronic incurable pain you are better off dead ..but not the case if you have some silly first world problem or something . It depends.

[Yimpa]

Surrendering your attachment to being a human is distinct from dying by suicide.

[Someone here]

I’m not sure if this applies to everyone but it did for me . for anyone struggling with depression or thinking of suicide I find expression highly curative . Talk to someone you know and let it all out. Say everything. Don’t keep it pent up inside . That hurts more than death itself. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I’m not sure if this applies to everyone but it did for me . for anyone struggling with depression or thinking of suicide I find expression highly curative . Talk to someone you know and let it all out. Say everything. Don’t keep it pent up inside . That hurts more than death itself. 

Good advice. Thanks!

[Someone here]

@Leo Gura ❤️

[Hojo]

You can talk to God alone in your room and it will work the same. Just keep asking why and let your brain honestly respond and you will unravel what you are thinking.

[Inliytened1]

On 6/24/2026 at 4:54 PM, Bashar said:

I'm curious. Does solipsism mean it won't affect anyone? 

Regadless of what it means from the Absolute perspective, life should be cherished.  If you take your life you have to understand it's very selfish because it does not consider others who love you and how it will affect them.  And it also does not consider that your current perspective may change and it would be something you would have regretted later.  But I do understand that sometimes  the pain and suffering of the consequences one's actions or of other things that happen out of our control can become unbearable.  But there is help available to get you back right again.   It's never the answer.

Edited Saturday at 11:27 AM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

On 25/6/2026 at 9:27 PM, Someone here said:

I’m not sure if this applies to everyone but it did for me . for anyone struggling with depression or thinking of suicide I find expression highly curative . Talk to someone you know and let it all out. Say everything. Don’t keep it pent up inside . That hurts more than death itself. 

You are a good example. It's clear you're someone who has intentionally let down their defenses, stripping bare their self-image with integrity as your goal.

And it's evident you're not doing this out of nobility or kindness, but out of intelligence, realizing it's the only sensible path. Many people believe they are integral, but they have a lie at their core, and they wouldn't trade that lie for paradise. Their drive is to reinforce that lie. Are they bad? No, they're foolish

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall thanks for the compliment.

[Schizophonia]

I can understand someone committing suicide if they have a shitty life.

Like being particularly ugly, mentaly ill for some reason, disabled, and/or sick.

Edited Friday at 09:31 PM by Schizophonia

[Mellowmarsh]

On 25/06/2026 at 5:13 PM, Leo Gura said:

Life is a gift. Figure out how to make it work.

It’s a gift alright. Gifts are difficult to refuse. 🙏 Especially when they are given in good faith. 
 

We are all the gifted ones. It’s amazing. 🤩 

[Bashar]

On 25/06/2026 at 8:02 PM, Someone here said:

Obviously if you are in chronic incurable pain you are better off dead.

Tfw that's me😅

[Joshe]

On 6/25/2026 at 8:01 AM, Breakingthewall said:

If you feel that suicide is truly the right choice, the integral choice, the one that will allow you to open your heart to death without fear, without shame, and with joy, then suicide is perfect. 

On 6/24/2026 at 7:26 PM, Leo Gura said:

"Being a good or bad person" does not exist once you are dead.

Even if it's not true, the correct position on suicide is "It's always bad and you should never do it under any circumstances."

Your need to demonstrate your sophisticated, nuanced philosophy or metaphysics matters so much that you'll broadcast tacit endorsement to susceptible people. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joshe

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Even if it's not true, the correct position on suicide is "It's always bad and you should never do it under any circumstances."

Your need to demonstrate your sophisticated, nuanced philosophy or metaphysics matters so much that you'll broadcast tacit endorsement to susceptible people. 

You are referring to me or Leo? Leo cant cross some limits because he's public, but who cares about what I say? 

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Even if it's not true, the correct position on suicide is "It's always bad and you should never do it under any circumstances."

I am not going to lie just to please you.

Humans have the right to commit suicide. You do not have the right to tell them it is bad or wrong just because it offends you. You have no idea how difficult their lives are.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are referring to me or Leo? Leo cant cross some limits because he's public, but who cares about what I say? 

By saying Leo has to self-censor because he's public, you're admitting you already know public speech about this carries serious consequences. You're writing in public right now and it will potentially be read by thousands of people, some of whom will be looking for reasons to justify killing themselves. When one of them finds twenty posts like yours, each one contributes. IDK how this isn't obvious. 

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not going to lie just to please you.

Humans have the right to commit suicide. You do not have the right to tell them it is bad or wrong just because it offends you.

You don't have to lie, you just don't have to contribute. And it's not about pleasing me. I'm pointing out your immaturity such that you might reconsider your position and see how your rhetoric contributes to the suicide of people in temporary suffering. 

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You have no idea how difficult their lives are.

But we do know the vast majority of suicides are not the rare cases your framing targets. The vast majority contemplating suicide are in temporary states of suffering that will pass. Maybe for every 1,000 people reading your suicide rhetoric, one of them fits your framing. But the other 999 are using your rhetoric just the same as the one. 

It's obviously a net-negative, and it's not even close.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Joshe said:

The vast majority contemplating suicide are in temporary states of suffering that will pass.

Which is why I said:

"Life is a gift. Figure out how to make it work."

You deliberately leave that out.

My position is the nuanced one. Not yours. You only think about the majority but not the truly stuck minority.

Telling people not to commit suicide does not stop suicide. This misunderstands how serious suicide is. Suicide is so serious that talking someone down from it is not going to work in a serious case. Your words do nothing to ease their daily suffering.

"Don't do it, brah" is not a serious solution.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"Life is a gift. Figure out how to make it work."

People looking for reasons to off themselves read past this and focus on this: 

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Humans have the right to commit suicide. You do not have the right to tell them it is bad or wrong just because it offends you. 

I left it out because I don't want to have to explain how your little disclaimers are useless when your whole point is basically "suicide is okay if you're suffering enough". And obviously, most everyone contemplating suicide seriously will think that their suffering is enough.

It's not that I've not thought about the truly stuck minority. It's that you have no way to target them specifically, which means your rhetoric is net-negative. Obviously. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe