Am I totally inferring the link between two events? Causation question...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

My understanding is that the disagreement between a realist and antirealist regarding causation is not about whether you can observe regularities or not.

The disagreement is about the metaphysics related to what is needed to explain those regularities and whether one needs to posit an objective entity called "causation" that is a feature of the world.

A Humean would say something like : "We observe that stepping on dogs is regularly followed by pain behavior and yelping. We do not observe any further entity, relation, power, or necessary connection called "causation" that binds the events together. Therefore we are not justified in positing one"

This is where I am pivoting around a bit I think. You better captured it in words. 

It feels fundamentally unresolved.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you step on a dog and the dog yelps, you are not making that up, dogs really don't like being stepped on. You can use your intelligence to comprehend why stepping on a dog causes a yelp.

This is not what I am questioning.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, AION said:

On the quantum level there is no causation like in this 3d reality where we are in right now. Both paradigms fit into each other but it is too deep to explain right now.

Can you elaborate on this? 

Do you view causation occuring in your direct experience of concrete reality? 

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Mellowmarsh]

4 hours ago, Hojo said:

Like a kid can know that stepping on a dogs tail hurts it without knowing about the internal mechanisms.

The intelligence is the kid knowing that.

Bingo.

Knowing that is a knowledge that can only point to the illusion of knowledge.

Not-knowing is the highest form of knowledge.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I feel stuck reconciling time, how it works. As a dimension of reality. 

One thing happens. Then another. Totally seperate. But I can use my intellect and pattern recognition to infer causation. Progression through time.

Time can't exist - but it does? Or I make it up to create and make sense of reality.

Time itself feels created by conscious awareness through a series of memories. But the universe itself does not appear to be "becoming" moment to moment.

Nothing is bloody happening haha

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Can you elaborate on this? 

Do you view causation occuring in your direct experience of concrete reality? 

I believe in quantum indeterminism which is  more about probability rather than causation but it is too deep to explain here

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION do you have any resources to link, if it is too much to write?