Let’s Take Looksmaxxing Seriously

[AtmanIsBrahman]

42 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'm asking to see YOUR data. YOUR critical thinking. Data and how you got to your conclusions. YOU.

I'm not sure what you mean by "your" data. That's not what data is by definition.

42 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

ai isn't a source

Yes it is. It was citing actual studies. This honestly makes me doubt your intelligence.

42 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'm basically forming a claim that looksmaxxing is nothing but a rebrand with maths of concepts that always existed. Looksmaxxing isn't just a psl, angle optimisation. Your AI response even says the research isn't solid. It's contested?? 

If you actually read the response carefully, you would see that it's an adaptation of research that mostly started in the 70s and became more solidified by the 2000s and 2010s. 

42 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Why are you letting AI do all your thinking research and deductive reasoning? 

I'm not. Why are you lacking in openmindedness and critical thinking on this topic?

Look, I'm just trying to fill a gap on this subforum. If you're interested, why not research yourself rather than asking me to provide the studies or my thought process so that you can correct it (while assuming you're right from the get-go)? If you don't want to, that's fine too.
 

Edited 22 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[Hojo]

Spiritual path is literally the opposite of looksmaxxing. The spiritual people make themselves less apealing and retarded on purpose.

A punk is spiritual. They lay in the dirt and cut their hair to look like a retard.

A looksmaxxer is a wussy baby.

Looksmaxxing is like the epitome of maya.

Edited 22 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

3 hours ago, LordFall said:

 

@Hojo Wrong that's hardmaxxing vs softmaxxing. I agree with most of your points otherwise but looksmaxxing has many areas.

Softmaxxing isnt real, the word is a hypocrisy towards itself.

Its called shaving and grooming we dont need a new word for shaving and grooming. Its not maxing, soft maxxing isnt maxxing.

If you want to make up words to be right just know you are doing it.

[LordFall]

35 minutes ago, bazera said:

My last breakup kind of disillusioned me about relationships, I thought I would derive more happiness and satisfaction out of it but in the end, especially after initial attraction wore off after years, I was a bit dissapointed, I was yearning being single again deep inside, but I was in denial about that.

And since my last girlfriend was checking most of the points I'm looking for in a girl, and still I found relationship not that satisfying ultimately, I'm now taking a break from it all, getting my shit together in all the areas of life, that includes improving physical attractiveness, to not go off topic too much.

I want to find meaning and satisfaction while single, alone, do Consciousness work in more hardcore ways to know myself better, realize root causes of my attachment issues. Not to even mention getting more fit and stuff like that.

So to answer your question now, my ideal dating life would probably include some abundance and multiple partners (not simultaneously) to gain more experience dealing with the feminine side of the psyche, I don't want wife or kids so that filters many girls around my area because most want settling down, which I don't want to at this stage of my life. 

What form did the disaffection take? Was it more like she wasn't helping you fulfill your goals or just in general you didn't enjoy her presence?

I loved having a girlfriend last time I had one but she was BPD and made my life a nightmare so when I was with her I wished I was single but it wasn't the experience of having a woman in my life in and of itself that was lacking; that part was awesome. 

I think your instinct is correct that recentering yourself and knowing yourself better will answer a lot of the questions. Having an exploration phase afterwards makes a lot of sense especially if you've only dated that girl and she's your main reference point for women. You say you don't want kids now but later right? That makes a lot of sense. A lot of the world is stuck in an enforced monogamy framework where any dating has the implication of long term relationship and kids but that's a bit silly. There's nothing wrong with sharing your life with someone for a few months/years and then going apart. FWBs are great for that I had a few since my breakups. It lets you experience women and see what you like and dislike in a partner without the pressure of going all in. 

For example for me I disliked having FWBs where the woman was working on goals that were too separate from mine. It felt our lives were siloed or just being independent and then just getting together to fuck, hangout but working on different missions. Especially as an intellectual if I don't understand her pursuits and think on it with her I felt very disconnected from them even when that was the case with my 1 year GF. So for me developing general business skills/the money that would help my partner(s) achieve whatever goals they have is very important.

@Hojo You're literally making things up, this is part of the community and the term. Google/AI it. I dislike when you butt in topics that you have no knowledge of, to me it feels very egotistical and like you're wasting my time writing stuff that has no substance. Especially with some certainty on things you clearly don't understand. 

Edited 22 hours ago by LordFall

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Nah I'd rather rizzmaxx and musclemaxx. Looksmaxxing is for homosexualitymaxxers

[Hojo]

@LordFall Is wiping your ass soft looksmaxxing? You are just labelling things you do as a grand scheme towards something you can add anything in there and it fits your idea of what the word is. Its just making shit up.

The word becomes completely redundant.

The words you are using have no substance. You are negating the substance of your own terms and saying im doing it. You are being ambiguous to the what your words mean cause they dont have one you can just throw anything in there.

To be part of a trend that is retarded in itself.

Edited 22 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

 

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@LordFall Is wiping your ass soft looksmaxxing? You are just labelling things you do as a grand scheme towards something you can add anything in there and it fits your idea of what the word is. Its just making shit up.

The word becomes completely redundant.

No now you're projecting because your ego is hurt that I called you out on it. It has to do with improving your appearance to attract people. Stuff that is surgical is generally considered the hardmaxxing portion of lookxmaxxing. It's literally on the wikipedia. 

 

[Hojo]

@LordFall You dont need the term its made up. Wiping your own ass is not softmaxxing even if you say it is. Its not real. I am denying the fact that softmaxxing exists as we already have words for it. Just because a word is made up by someone dosent mean its real.

Looksmaxxing however is real.

Its like creating a word related to a mental illness to not make the mental illness seem real.

If there is a fat ugly 700 pound man laying in his own filth and he decides to wipe the shit off his body according to this he is softmaxxing. It dosent make any sense.

The word is boundless and has no meaning to it.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

Which part doesn't make sense to you? A 700 lbs dude is an extreme example not really worth addressing.

I basically explained why softmaxxing makes sense here. Most men do not maximize the features of themselves that would be considered looksmaxxing. It's a great enough proportion that people have argued enough about it that's its on the wikipedia. Some people take it into a neurotic level and refuse to take action and because pickup and redpill are now outside the overton window the hardmaxxing part of looksmaxxing has surfaced in mainstream media because it's shocking to people. Shocking stuff makes for easy headlines. Dude smashes his face with hammer and gets famous vs 30% of men aren't dressed and groomed optimally nor workout enough.

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by LordFall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AtmanIsBrahman if you don't want to address the questions then just say it. 

I don't require your assumptions. I require answers. 

AI isn't an answer.

I want to know how you came the certain conclusions - all you are doing is proving you adopted someone else's, and cannot show how they got there with your own words.

I can relink my original question set if you like? You are making the claim that looksmaxxing is new. It's got validity.

I am questioning that. I want you to display how you understand it. I am not going to research this because I want to know how YOU came the the conclusion this was valid. Showing how you checked validity. All I can decifer is that you jumped on a trend and haven't thought about it, and taken on someone else's conclusion as authority IE group think 

If you can show me your own thoughts I wouldn't suspect the above.

Edited 19 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AtmanIsBrahman]

30 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I can relink my original question set if you like? You are making the claim that looksmaxxing is new. It's got validity.

I am questioning that. I want you to display how you understand it

I get the sense that you’re being close-minded and not approaching this in good faith. But I’ll assume the best.

First, I already explained why looksmaxxing is new. As for the validity, my claim is basically that attractiveness is objective and can be improved.

Here is a video showing how these measurements are objective:

 

This video dives into the eye area using science:
 

 

How I understand it?

The first thing to do is really learning about what makes for an attractive face and body. Then you can make changes accordingly. How do I know that the ideal standard is accurate? From cross-referencing various sources, combined with my own direct experience of what looks good. The science is really just making explicit what we already know subconsciously through our biological programming. And we all have an aesthetic eye.

Once you have some knowledge, you can analyze your face and then decide what changes to make. You may decide to make none at all, which is fine. Here’s an example of what this looks like (male perspective). You may find out you lack facial angularity, which contributes to perceived masculinity and attractiveness. A solution to this is getting lean—most people underestimate how lean is ideal and don’t realize their face would be improved from leaning out even if they aren’t conventionally speaking overweight. Getting lean reveals your facial structure. Let’s say you get lean and see some improvement, but it’s still not great. In that case there’s not much you can do, but an easy softmax is growing a beard, which will cover up the lack of angularity in the lower third. Of course, this is still inferior to having good angularity, which is basically just genetic. This is just one example of a possible looksmax, and you would just keep applying this to yourself to whatever extent you want to. 

 

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AtmanIsBrahman

So what do the numbers mean? How was it decided one number means a certain level of attractiveness?  What studies were done to come to that conclusion that one number means more regarding beauty than another? 

All evidence I find tells me looksmaxxing is more than these geometric principles - there are other elements to it. Does looksmaxxing exclude skincare, hair care, clothing selection, body composition? These have existed for a long, long time. If they are part of looksmaxxing, this is nothing new. 

You say beauty is objective - is this absolute? I claim it is not at all. Some things are more attractive, but there are massive variances across culture and personal preference. I cannot make out your answer and it you are using objective as a blunt absolute term or you think there is some nuance? 

Beauty is either subjective or objective. Can it ever be subjective to you? 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-18 at 1:05 AM, Hojo said:

Looksmaxxing is for other people. Thats why it dosent work

 Its people pleasing to the point of self mutilation.

Depends on your inner mindset in terms of why you do it

[bazera]

10 hours ago, LordFall said:

What form did the disaffection take? Was it more like she wasn't helping you fulfill your goals or just in general you didn't enjoy her presence?

Since that was my first and only girlfriend, after couple years I was kinda craving for different kind of experiences, like with other women. I wouldn't cheat, I would breakup much before that, but the craving and dissatisfcation was there. The mistake was on my part that I entered long-term relationship without much experience.

10 hours ago, LordFall said:

A lot of the world is stuck in an enforced monogamy framework where any dating has the implication of long term relationship and kids but that's a bit silly. There's nothing wrong with sharing your life with someone for a few months/years and then going apart. FWBs are great for that I had a few since my breakups. It lets you experience women and see what you like and dislike in a partner without the pressure of going all in. 

Yeah as I think about it now, based on my current state and last experience, I'd also prefer short-term things for experience where both parties understand that this will not last forever. But again, as you mentioned, that framework is there and most people expect the relationship to fit that framework, but that doesn't really fit me at the moment. 

10 hours ago, LordFall said:

For example for me I disliked having FWBs where the woman was working on goals that were too separate from mine. It felt our lives were siloed or just being independent and then just getting together to fuck, hangout but working on different missions. Especially as an intellectual if I don't understand her pursuits and think on it with her I felt very disconnected from them even when that was the case with my 1 year GF. So for me developing general business skills/the money that would help my partner(s) achieve whatever goals they have is very important.

I also experienced that disconnection from time to time, but again, I'm not sure if relationships are the correct place to seek that intimate connection to things / people, maybe I should work on a spiritual phase of my life, which will allow me to have that kind of deep connection to everything, including people, and engage in intimate relationships from that place. That's still in question.

At the moment my challenge is that I work full time (remotely with a good salary, but still), and other parts of my day is fully filled with activities that I think I need on my path the most at the moment, including some manual consciousness practices, building / honing my marketable skills to be on top of the market, reading / studying, working out, hanging out with family, stuff like that. There's just not enough room and energy to add relationship in the stack. But I think it's temporary, it's just a phase, which I think most of us need. Sometimes relationships are just distractions from the work you feel you need to do deep in your heart solo.

Edited 11 hours ago by bazera

[Hojo]

I remember when caring about your looks was gay for a guy to do. It was a better time. I used to make fun of people like this.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Half the looksmaxxing circles and those who discuss it are almost taking the piss, there is legit trolling behind the movement and jestermaxxing. 

[Leo Gura]

The absurdity of this is that Clav has exceptional genetics. You will never look as good as he naturally looks with him doing zero lookmaxxing.

His looksmaxxing is NOT what makes him look good.

It would be like if I was born with a footlong dick and made a channel about how to grow your dick with dickmaxxing. But that's not how I got my dick.

Clav is lucky to have great genetics and his looksmaxxing is just performative online antics for purposes of clickbait. I promise you his looksmaxxing got him zero extra sex. Other than through the fame of his channel. No girl is sleeping with Clav because he looksmaxxed himself. This idea is laughable.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

he fucked up with his nose job flying to close to the sun.

it is a pitty he is not aiming for longevity because his diet and such suck.

when you are young you can eat literally shit and still look good

I knew this ukranian model and she would eat fast food couple of times per week and still look stunning while other mfs eat brocolli and shit and still look like a dumpster

Edited 8 hours ago by AION

[gengar]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The absurdity of this is that Clav has exceptional genetics. You will never look as good as he naturally looks with him doing zero lookmaxxing.

"exceptional genetics" lol
lol. you'd say that shit about top level athletes not some pretty boy. he has genetics to be pretty thats it.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

What do you all think of the retardmaxxing movement? Its a real movement, by the way. 

Google AI summary: 

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"Retardmaxxing" is an internet-born philosophy that combats analysis paralysis by encouraging you to stop overthinking, ignore perfection, and take immediate, imperfect action. It's about building momentum, letting go of unnecessary judgment, and prioritizing doing over planning

The Philosophy Behind It

• Action Over Analysis: Many people get trapped in mental loops—worrying about judgment, imagining failure, and striving for the perfect plan. "Retardmaxxing" urges you to bypass the overthinking and simply start doing the work. 
• Releasing Guilt: It's about doing your best, moving on when things go wrong, and avoiding self-punishment for every outcome. 
• Not Reckless, Just Momentum: It does not mean you should ignore all consequences. Instead, it suggests choosing forward progress over mental gridlock.

Why People Try It

Chronic overanalyzing can amplify stress, disrupt sleep, and strain relationships. By adopting a simpler, "head-down" mindset, you can avoid the decision-fatigue that prevents many people from achieving their goals. 

For tips on how to get out of your own head and implement the less thinking, more acting mindset: