Jiddu Krishnamurti

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think that all of them need to transmit anything ineffable, special, because otherwise nobody would pay attention, then they say things like "there is nobody here" to create in the audience an image of mystery and freedom.  And maybe they didn't develop a clean conceptual frame, they have read Buddhism, neo advaita, etc. 

Thats doesn't mean that the are a fraud, but I wouldn't pay attention to those expressions, are a mess

I'd say I've made similar observations. 

I think sometimes you could watch someone because you resonate with the person (even if they may have no sense of self, as the audience I still feel a sense of person about them), so then how properly they articulate things isn't the most important, but ofc the best is the combination of that resonance and really good articulation 

[Sugarcoat]

13 hours ago, Jirh said:

Self is the sense of existence. Like "I'm here, I exist, somehow, somewhere, someway". It's vague and not specific. But it is certain and ever-present with you.

Ego is more like the narrative or identity structure that arises when awareness (or sense of self) contracts around a story: "I am this person, with this history, these preferences, these fears." It's the boundary-maker. It utilizes conscious cognition and memory to unconsciously draw lines between "me" and "you", "inside" and "outside", "mine" and "not mine". And it changes depending on context.

Generally, when Buddhists talk about no-self, they aren't describing a state or an experience. They are usually talking about the natural state of reality being a selfless emptiness that changes in appearance or content but never in essence. It's more theoretical, like they are stating a truth about existence, not an experience that can be had or an achievement to be attained.

Interesting that you equate awareness with sense of self. For me I have thought of awareness as empty, and that sense of self is something more defined, and ego is an even more "contracted" and defined version of that, like additional layers to this basic sense of self.  Thinking about these things as a natural desire of the mind to make sense of things, for its own sake, and now that you put it like that, something is making more sense to me. I think I can get what it's saying, and I can connect it to how I've conceptualized it myself in my mind. 

 

[VeganAwake]

What if you had never heard or learned about ego. Would it still feel/seem like there was a different context of self?

[Ajay0]

 

Bruce Lee himself was influenced by Jiddu Krishnamurti's teachings, and the core of Krishnamurti’s philosophy—rejecting rigid ideologies in favor of unconditioned, honest self-expression and choiceless awareness—served as the philosophical bedrock for Lee's creation of the martial art of Jeet Kune Do.

Lee was an avid reader of Krishnamurti's books, and his copy of J.K's book, Commentaries on Living 1st Series (published 1956) is heavily annotated and underlined.

His own teachings on Jeet Kune Do mirrored J.K's own sayings.

Krishnamurti famously declared that truth cannot be confined by any path, religion, or structured organization. Lee adapted this concept, famously stating, "Truth has no path," using it to reject the rigid, traditional forms of classical kung fu in favor of fluid, adaptable fighting.

Jeet Kune Do serves as the foundational framework of modern mixed martial arts forms as well. It breaks away from rigid traditional styles, emphasizing efficiency, directness, and the philosophy of adapting any effective combat technique regardless of its origin.

https://steemit.com/philosophy/@jokerpravis/jiddu-krishnamurti-the-philosophical-inspiration-behind-bruce-lee-s-martial-art-jeet-kune-do

http://www.becoming.8m.net/bruce02.htm

https://brucelee.com/podcast-blog/2018/7/31/110-bruce-lee-library-commentaries-on-living

This shows how philosophical insights have been brought into applications in the martial arts, and I would say it is possible that Krishnamurti's teachings can spawn similar applications in various other fields as well. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Ajay0

[Breakingthewall]

15 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I'd say I've made similar observations. 

I think sometimes you could watch someone because you resonate with the person (even if they may have no sense of self, as the audience I still feel a sense of person about them), so then how properly they articulate things isn't the most important, but ofc the best is the combination of that resonance and really good articulation 

If there's a kind of transmission, it's like you understand their feeling in the moment, because they speak during moments of genuine meditation. So, more than the logical content of their message, they transmit the idea, the feeling, with words that come to them at that moment. Therefore, you're not going to analyze exactly what they say to find errors because it's spontaneous discourse. It's different when someone writes or defends points very clearly, like saying that the self is a mental concept, etc.

When I first became interested in spirituality, I did a lot of research, and everything seemed distorted to me, with a fundamental error. I didn't know exactly what it was, but something was amiss. In Krishnamurti, Adyashanti, Ralston, Spira, Mooji, etc it was a feeling, as if they were starting from the wrong premise. 

[VeganAwake]

7 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

 

Bruce Lee himself was influenced by Jiddu Krishnamurti's teachings, and the core of Krishnamurti’s philosophy—rejecting rigid ideologies in favor of unconditioned, honest self-expression and choiceless awareness—served as the philosophical bedrock for Lee's creation of the martial art of Jeet Kune Do.

Lee was an avid reader of Krishnamurti's books, and his copy of J.K's book, Commentaries on Living 1st Series (published 1956) is heavily annotated and underlined.

His own teachings on Jeet Kune Do mirrored J.K's own sayings.

Krishnamurti famously declared that truth cannot be confined by any path, religion, or structured organization. Lee adapted this concept, famously stating, "Truth has no path," using it to reject the rigid, traditional forms of classical kung fu in favor of fluid, adaptable fighting.

Jeet Kune Do serves as the foundational framework of modern mixed martial arts forms as well. It breaks away from rigid traditional styles, emphasizing efficiency, directness, and the philosophy of adapting any effective combat technique regardless of its origin.

https://steemit.com/philosophy/@jokerpravis/jiddu-krishnamurti-the-philosophical-inspiration-behind-bruce-lee-s-martial-art-jeet-kune-do

http://www.becoming.8m.net/bruce02.htm

https://brucelee.com/podcast-blog/2018/7/31/110-bruce-lee-library-commentaries-on-living

This shows how philosophical insights have been brought into applications in the martial arts, and I would say it is possible that Krishnamurti's teachings can spawn similar applications in various other fields as well. 

MMA is to Fighting what Nonduality is to Spirituality 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

MMA is to Fighting what Nonduality is to Spirituality 

 

[UnbornTao]

There are unsurprisingly tons of videos of him on listening.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=listening+krishnamurti

Edited 6 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

@UnbornTao Listen to yourself, most important 

But maybe you have already exhausted all of that and penetrated through the very end layers of the psyche so now there’s no other way but to go outward (listening to others)

Edited 6 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

@UnbornTao Listen to yourself, most important 

But maybe you have already exhausted all of that and penetrated through the very end layers of the psyche so now there’s no other way but to go outward (listening to others)

Just a recommendation.

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Just a recommendation.

It’s a mystery sometimes on this forum to know: does the person not understand I’m joking, or are they just so clever and witty they play serious still (maybe because they didn’t think it was funny) . You don’t have to respond ofc, this thought is directed in general at these instances I’ve noticed, not just this one.

Edited 5 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Jirh]

18 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

For me I have thought of awareness as empty

There it is; no-self, or emptiness.

Though, what is awareness aware of?

[UnbornTao]

24 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s a mystery sometimes on this forum to know: does the person not understand I’m joking, or are they just so clever and witty they play serious still (maybe because they didn’t think it was funny) . You don’t have to respond ofc, this thought is directed in general at these instances I’ve noticed, not just this one.

In this case, the former.

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

In this case, the former.

Ok interesting, I was unsure : ) 

[VeganAwake]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

I will never forget the moment this finger here pressed play on this video. 

I never knew you had such hate for me! 🤣

I feel like I may have acquired a sexually transmitted disease from just clicking on the play button!

Edited 3 hours ago by VeganAwake

[Sugarcoat]

31 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I will never forget the moment this finger here pressed play on this video. 

I never knew you had such hate for me! 🤣

I feel like I may have acquired a sexually transmitted disease from just clicking on the play button!

Ahahahah, i just saw your post and immediately as I read “MMA” the song popped up in memory and I took the opportunity😁

Imo it’s actually a catchy song I’ve listened to it quite a few times. 

[zurew]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

In this case, the former.

True not-knowing embodied right there.