Girl Power is a lie

[Xonas Pitfall]

16 minutes ago, integral said:

Not the same thing because no one is coming to rush over to help a man. A man cannot cry for empathy, he gets punched in the face.

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Men are not creating empathy social network networks to the same degree women are

I don't really know what you mean by "empathy social networks." If you think women will just be helped by anyone at any time, that's simply not true. There are plenty of women struggling in poverty, single mothers, unemployed women, homeless women, abused women, trafficked women, women trapped in violent relationships, women dealing with addiction, women with disabilities, elderly women living alone, women facing discrimination, exploitation, and all kinds of hardships. The narrative that any woman can automatically obtain a happy or comfortable life is very detached from reality. By that definition, you would never see a single struggling woman, which is obviously silly. Is this what you're arguing for, or...?

If you're talking about genders supporting and emotionally validating their own members when discussing gender-specific issues, then male spaces have huge amounts of that as well, as I brought up previously. There are countless podcasts, forums, YouTube channels, communities, and online groups where men provide empathy, validation, support, and reassurance to one another. In many cases, they're soothing their own emotions (empathy social networks) through these communities. I mean, the whole rise of the red pill community and podcasts was literally men bringing up male issues, specifically filtering for girls who reinforce those narratives, and making people famous who strengthen those beliefs. So, of course, it’s a mutual empathy network. If you think it’s not, then you’re fooling yourself.

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To be clear I never claimed women don't do this, but men do also. Just in different ways. 

And me as well, I think what Natasha and I are arguing for is simply that this is too myopic a view. It’s more an unhealthy human behavior, rather than something specific to women or mostly women.

Edited 21 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

To be clear I never claimed women don't do this, but men do also. Just in different ways. 

But the characterisation above is of an unhealthy woman performing to elicit empathy and action. 

[integral]

You guys are right I changed my mind.

If you look at Trump and how he uses emotional manipulation and empathy and all these emotional tactics to Rally up voters and sway the direction of the conversations through chaos, it is exactly what I've observed in most women I interact with.

It's the same bullshit to build machine.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, integral said:

You guys are right I changed my mind.

If you look at Trump and how he uses emotional manipulation and empathy and all these emotional tactics to Rally up voters and sway the direction of the conversations through chaos, it is exactly what I've observed in most women I interact with.

It's the same bullshit to build machine.

 

It's what Leo always repeats - corruption corruption corruption! 

It's in human nature to manipulate coerce and leverage what systems they can to get ahead. I can see exactly what you point to regarding women and how they leverage the softer emotions to their advantage.

Hard respect and admiration, Integral - that you have the ability to drop frame & seriously entertain a different perspective. Most here just egoically cling to their points. And not in good faith! 

[Osaid]

2 hours ago, integral said:

You guys are right I changed my mind.

If you look at Trump and how he uses emotional manipulation and empathy and all these emotional tactics to Rally up voters and sway the direction of the conversations through chaos, it is exactly what I've observed in most women I interact with.

It's the same bullshit to build machine.

 

It's almost like hatred, envy, and narcissism isn't actually inherent to either gender (contrary to all the posts in this section of the forum) 🤔🤔🤔

[oOo]

8 hours ago, integral said:

You guys are right I changed my mind.

If you look at Trump and how he uses emotional manipulation and empathy and all these emotional tactics to Rally up voters and sway the direction of the conversations through chaos, it is exactly what I've observed in most women I interact with.

It's the same bullshit to build machine.

 

@integral there's performance empathy, so fake empathy or just "fake social", I brought it up in the past when another member asked me what to acreen a woman for concerning empathy (as i said i only look for high empathy as it predicts so many other positive qualities) and therefore what to screen out more than what to tick the green boxes on for simpliciity. 

And then one level above that is strategic empathy. The latter, is a very different ballgame, and especially when combined, potentially extremely risky without the right experience to vet the environmental conditions of how that strategic empathy plays out with a woman.

It usually involves framing techniques, contextual manoeuvring, social weighting, leveraging and probabilistic countering. Strategic empathy sometimes does or doesnt involve performative empathy, because when you operate through social calibration using cognitive empathy, predictive processing for for anticipatory affective empathy as a phone a friend. We all have anticipatory reactions like these, however for people that have honed it due to a nurtured Machiavellian disposition, it becomes a phone a friend option in turning the dial either to safety or their next calculation.

Women are particularly more skilled at this, which is why I stated to a gentleman at the time to focus on indicators of performative empathy. Because even if you cant spend a lot of time in the beginning with a woman to see how her other arsenal of empathy plays out, especially in this case relating to cognitive and less affective empathy, failures in affective empathy through performative processing are given the chance to be put under the light through one on one interactions. This is why its so important to emphasise personal well being in dating, tuning and balancing one's own energy, these things allow us to not only be more objective in dating but place more emphasis on how the vibe is in our social interactions more than just our attractions, focusing more on subtle body language changes across the interaction when going back and fourth, and allowing the signal to emerge through mutual non-performative vibing.

Thats the best read on affective empathy, which is the best predictor of non-performative cognitive empathy that is summoned from genuine affective empathy as opposed to comparatively cold strategic (cognitive) empathy. Performative empathy is strategic empathy pretending to be affective empathy in the moment. Picking up on it, while vetting strongly for personal biases, allows one to tune for how that strategic empathy may play out over longer term horizons and social situations. Like avoiding a gold digger. And thats for either sex, not just women. 

There are some grey areas here, for example some people simply learning or a little awkward or anxious in social situations, like we all are sometimes, are going to be performative, what matters is context and patterns overtime of course. 

Both men and women are used to dealing with the statistical average, any man or woman above that statistical average in cognitive empathy with machievellian tendencies, is going to be naturally more skilled and experienced pretending to have empathy on far more contexts than someone with the same cognitive empathy but less Machiavellian tendencies, as the latter person has run far more social simulations about what to do, how to do it, and how to change and prop based on ongoing changing circumstances. Politicians here have the most experience out of all of us! It's also why propaganda, is just never going to end until the genetic cell-grinder, is switched off either on the environments that nurture it or the biologics that are born for it. Thats another subject.

Best wishes sir.

 

[AION]

13 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Those women lack self awareness. Women with high self awareness would feel weird about themselves being with a man way above their level 

It is hard to find somebody who is exactly at your level. You are either above or below. 

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, AION said:

It is hard to find somebody who is exactly at your level. You are either above or below. 

Why stress out and not just settle for someone “more or less equivalent”.

[Spiral]

There is certainly intersexual competition. Not just for men but for status among women.

Like girls advice girls to cut there hair shorter if the other girl is prettier and vice versa. As well as very pretty girls will struggle more socially among women. Unless she’s very considerate and kind.

Is this good or bad? idk. Everything has a cost

Edited 7 hours ago by Spiral

[AION]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Why stress out and not just settle for someone “more or less equivalent”.

I’m just telling you how most people think. Especially people who are higher up the social ladder. I mean if one doesn’t have a lot of options you will take what you can get obviously. This forum is not a good representation how the real world works. Most people aren’t anti social introverts like on this forum. 

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, AION said:

I’m just telling you how most people think. Especially people who are higher up the social ladder. I mean if one doesn’t have a lot of options you will take what you can get obviously.

I don't know. In any case I don't think it's worth the hassle, whether you have an advantage in relationships or not.

Both losers and winners can develop a rigid, even cynical paradigm like that.

11 minutes ago, AION said:

This forum is not a good representation how the real world works. Most people aren’t anti social introverts like on this forum. 

There's all sorts of people on this forum.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, AION said:

It is hard to find somebody who is exactly at your level. You are either above or below. 

Yea but I was referring to the dynamic between a top level guy and average or low level woman, that is different than what you're saying here. People who are close in development can have great connection, maybe a man being a bit more developed than the woman could even benefit the male-female attraction/polarity. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Sugarcoat