Girl Power is a lie

[aurum]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@aurum Yes it is, you sit there till your brain unravels itself.

You are still going to experience normal human emotions.

Doesn't matter how much spiritual work you think you've done.

[Hojo]

@aurum No the end goal is staring at a screen just feeling one emotion. You experiencing anything other than the emotion of bliss is showing you something you need to work on. Because you arent in control of any of it happening to you, until you realize you are. When you realize you are you just pick the best one.

Edited 18 hours ago by Hojo

[Monster Energy]

37 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

ROFL thanks, I HATE IT 

Need a couple more em-dashes. A sprinkle more "it's this, not that" while we quietly smuggle in how we are noticing what others miss 

You got crazy weird jukes my man 

The fact that you can identify me from a few em dashes and a questionable analogy is honestly more concerning than anything I’ve written.

🤪

[Monster Energy]

42 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I think you have to be careful with sweeping generalizations. Some women operate in scarcity and just give two handed compliments and live in competition. Some others are happy for their friends doing well and just want to support other women and perhaps humans in general. 

I don't think it's healthy to be jaded about human nature. It doesn't make you a loser to believe in the goodness in people. Quite the opposite as long as it's not blind naivety. 

One of us is wrong.

It’s probably not me.

 

[Etherial Cat]

16 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

Girls hate other girls who are prettier than them. If you can’t understand this, then you’re truly a loser.

 

The real thing you've got to look at is that girls and women want to feel loved and attract positive experiences that help get their needs met.

Yes, being physically attractive can generate envy as a means of obtaining for oneself what is desired, but that is only a surface-level motivation. The root cause is that she wants to feel loved, cared for, and seen, and there is much more to it than physical attractiveness alone.

So what you are seeing is an obvious pain point, but it's just the tree that hides the forest. If she is well loved, feels good about herself, and understands that physical attractiveness is temporary, she will have the wisdom to accept herself as she is and get her core needs met in other ways.

Physical attractiveness is not the holy grail. It is not a solid enough foundation on its own, and it comes with its own set of problems. Why obsess over it when there are life circumstances and forms of companionship in which attraction is much more holistic, and where sexual attraction can endure far beyond one's outward appearance?

Sisterhood relies on a whole range of emotions, including love, compassion, nurturing and understanding. Many women develop an early dislike of objectification and commodification, and often have an ambivalent relationship with the power of physical attraction. I think that helps mitigate envy, because there is nothing more contrary to genuine love than wondering whether you are valued for your body or for who you are as a person. People want to be loved both unconditionally and conditionally at the same time. Feeling loved conditionally is terrifying because in this life, the relative will give you up and downs and conditional love is all about maintaining the highs which is impossible.

[Xonas Pitfall]

Humans, in general, regardless of gender, can get competitive over potential mates. If there's a handsome guy who might steal your girl, you may become competitive, hateful, jealous, emotional, sensitive, impulsive, or you might grow resentful, passive, or dismissive toward the girl. You might consciously or subconsciously try to paint the other guy as somehow inferior, whether in your own mind or in hers. That's more of a personality-based defense mechanism, but either way, you usually won't just easily and gracefully accept the situation.

Just as it might be shocking that a sweet girl could have these feelings, it can also be surprising that a stereotypically "masculine," macho, strong, blunt man can become very sensitive and emotional over the same thing.

These are human feelings. Gender isn't nearly as impactful as we're often led to believe by media portrayals. These are feelings that both men and women can be sensitive about. The problem is that society often frames the same emotions differently based on gender. When a person doesn't fit that stereotype, people may see it as shocking, deceptive, or somehow out of character.

You can equally say:

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I hate this huge facade that girls put up. Many people think they’re angels when it comes to judging others.

I hate this "macho" facade that many guys put up. People often assume their decisions are driven by pure logic, pragmatism, or an unwavering commitment to truth. In reality, many of those decisions are influenced by personal bias and sensitive emotions, just like anyone else's. Instead of admitting they're jealous, insecure, hurt, afraid, or threatened, they will reframe those feelings as competition, hierarchy, strength, rationality, or principle, and then use that framing to justify their trash behavior.

And then people might say, "Well, they don't have a choice. Society forces men into those roles."

But the same applies to women. All of us are shaped by social expectations, often without even realizing it. We absorb norms, stereotypes, and roles through conformity and social pressure.

That doesn't mean we should keep reinforcing them.

To me, these gendered expectations are part of a social game that deserves to be questioned rather than blindly followed.

Edited 10 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[LordFall]

9 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

One of us is wrong.

It’s probably not me.

 

Your position is obviously quite shallow. Feel free to input your own thread into an LLM and I'm sure it'll point out the shortcomings in your viewpoint. I'm not a psychologist but usually when someone projects that everyone else must have shallow and toxic relationships that's more a reflection of their own life than a truthful view of reality.

Obviously there's some truth in what you said but half-truths are some of the most dangerous generalizations you can make. 

Edited 8 hours ago by LordFall

[AION]

In the eyes of most women most men are not breed-able so they are competing for the few men who are. 

[Sugarcoat]

36 minutes ago, AION said:

In the eyes of most women most men are not breed-able so they are competing for the few men who are. 

Those women lack self awareness. Women with high self awareness would feel weird about themselves being with a man way above their level 

Edited 2 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[integral]

Girl power is when a girl gives up her survival strategy for a masculine one.

Why would someone help you if they dont feel anything towards you? A woman solved this problem vai her entire survival strategy. 

Woman have power by emotional influence.

They cultivate inside you empathy towards them.

This creates a social network were agents act in favor of her best interests.

When things dont go there way they double down on the chaos so more resources are pulled to her from every direction.

The more she can rile up the emotions of everyone around her the better her survival chances will be.

Whenever a woman has a problem there is always a man somewhere rushing over here to help her solve it. And if that man won't do it, another man will. 

Edited 2 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

11 minutes ago, integral said:

Girl power is when a girl gives up her survival strategy for a masculine one.

Why would someone help you if they dont feel anything towards you? A woman solved this problem vai her entire survival strategy. 

Woman have power by emotional influence.

They cultivate inside you empathy towards them.

This creates a social network were agents act in favor of her best interests.

When things dont go there way they double down on the chaos so more resources are pulled to her from every direction.

The more she can rile up the emotions of everyone around her the better her survival chances will be.

Whenever a woman has a problem there is always a man somewhere rushing over here to help her solve it. And if that man won't do it, another man will. 

This isn't a description of a healthy woman.

[integral]

18 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This isn't a description of a healthy woman.

None of it is done consciously.

Broadcast the problem in a likeable way to as many people as possible and that's the the survival strategy. 

The way women socialize with each other is this kind of rambling about all of their problems and other people's problems and they're trying to get their problems out there for everyone to know (unconsciously, it is just their desire), why? So that the network is always conscious of this data so that the network could come back and support her (they don't know they're doing it for this reason. It is what they were wired to enjoy doing.)

And this feminized socializing has a little to do with facts or reason or problem-solving. It's about how likeable enjoyable and swayable the talking points are. 

Edited 1 hour ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, integral said:

None of it is done consciously.

That's fine. 

It's still a description of an unhealthy & immature woman. Conscious or no. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

47 minutes ago, integral said:

The more she can rile up the emotions of everyone around her the better her survival chances will be.

That's exactly why men gather together, buy podcast equipment, and spend hours talking about "low-value females" and the "male loneliness epidemic." They invent incel terminology like "foid" and congregate in 4chan and Reddit communities to collectively complain, seek emotional validation from one another, and justify their own flawed worldviews. They rile up emotions across the entire online space and frame everything as a gender issue, hoping to gain sympathy, validation, or support for their grievances.

Again, this isn't femininity or something inherently female. It's simply immature human behavior from people who don't want to take accountability or responsibility for their situation.

To clarify, my point isn't that men or women are "more" bad. But please, these behaviors aren't inherently gendered. They're just genuinely bad examples of human behavior across the board.

The stereotypes really don't help people wake up to that. If anything, they make it easier for people to excuse these behaviors in themselves and only notice them in others.

Edited 1 hour ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Xonas Pitfall people often forget harder emotions, like anger, are actually emotions/feelings.

Men getting angry and committing acts of violence and inciting others is exactly the same mechanism.

None of this behaviour is isolated to a gender.

[Xonas Pitfall]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Xonas Pitfall people often forget harder emotions, like anger, are actually emotions/feelings.

Men getting angry and committing acts of violence and inciting others is exactly the same mechanism.

None of this behaviour is isolated to a gender.

Exactly! It's quite saddening to see the exact same emotional behavior get completely different narratives, levels of respect, and interpretations depending on the gender of the person expressing it. People should be willing to deconstruct gender, as well as science, materialism, and religion. All of these frameworks can contain biases worth examining critically in the search for truth.

Edited 1 hour ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Exactly! It's quite saddening to see the exact same emotional behavior get completely different narratives, levels of respect, and interpretations depending on the gender of the person expressing it. People should be willing to deconstruct gender, as well as science, materialism, and religion. All of these frameworks can contain biases worth examining critically in the search for truth.

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Instead the frameworks are rigidly held up and clung to. 

Any intelligent person will understand biology will give us tendancies - but far too often a ham-fisted reductionist approach is applied, stripping out the influence of the social domain and external incentive structures.

[Xonas Pitfall]

ham-fisted 🤣 Yes!

[integral]

@Xonas Pitfall @Natasha Tori Maru it's true both men and women do this and it's definitely related to maturity or how conscious you are and self-aware. 

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Xonas Pitfall people often forget harder emotions, like anger, are actually emotions/feelings.

Men getting angry and committing acts of violence and inciting others is exactly the same mechanism.

None of this behaviour is isolated to a gender.

These are not equal at all, committing violence is not the same as creating an empathy social network to benefit yourself and women are more likely to do this than men.

If a woman or a man commit some violence, they're ostracized, this is not at all what I'm talking about, it benefits no one

Men are not creating empathy social network networks to the same degree women are, you guys gotta stop flattening this. The way men build social networks is by doing favours for other men, positioning themselves in a position of status and to be a trust worthy person for many things. They're climbing the ladder in a completely different way. 

17 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

That's exactly why men gather together, buy podcast equipment, and spend hours talking about "low-value females" and the "male loneliness epidemic." They invent incel terminology like "foid" and congregate in 4chan and Reddit communities to collectively complain, seek emotional validation from one another, and justify their own flawed worldviews. They rile up emotions across the entire online space and frame everything as a gender issue, hoping to gain sympathy, validation, or support for their grievances.

Again, this isn't femininity or something inherently female. It's simply immature human behavior from people who don't want to take accountability or responsibility for their situation.

To clarify, my point isn't that men or women are "more" bad. But please, these behaviors aren't inherently gendered. They're just genuinely bad examples of human behavior across the board.

The stereotypes really don't help people wake up to that. If anything, they make it easier for people to excuse these behaviors in themselves and only notice them in others.

Not the same thing because no one is coming to rush over to help a man. A man cannot cry for empathy, he gets punched in the face.

Nothing I said, has anything to do with ideology and people ganging up on other people and cultures forming inside subcultures.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@integral it's about the emotion behind it. 

Men getting angry and riling each other up is the same mechanism as woman talking about issues to elicit empathy. It's the same mechanism behind both behaviours - elicit empathy and compassion in some way. Touch feeling.

Same mechanism behind it. Forget the violence aspect, that just adds onto the fact that men make decisions based on emotions.

A man can cry for empathy. I don't understand this comment. A week ago a man on one of the job sites broke down and I witnessed the best type of compassion and support from the crew. I would hesitate to make such absolute statements.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru