The dumbest collective shit test

[WonderSeeker]

If you still fall for this, Jesus Christ.

It's body count.

It's the most potent shit test the collective sexual marketplace puts up.

For the PUA community and for most normies even, the standard is 100+ body count.

• I heard that standard talked about by Owen Cook's coaches at a bootcamp I attended in Miami in 2023
• I saw it talked about in this sub-forum the other day
• I hear laypeople talk about it

So, the standard is 100. But it's not about the number. The benchmark could be 20.

The point is the emotional load this concept carries, the pain, the distraction, the stupidity it causes.

Naturally, this leads to, What is all of this about?

At a meta-level, body count is a collective shit test by society. To see, "Can you, this emotioanlly-driven, little human think for yourself?" Can you can see through 'body count' to something better?

I had the intuition that body count was an INCREDIBLY low-grade way of viewing your sex life as early as the age of 18 when I first heard about it. "How the fuck do people pedestalize such a thing?" I thought.

Now some of us feel like we gotta karmically burn through it. I know some forum members bulldozed their genitalia through human flesh and came out the other side wise as fuck. So, I'm not a high-horse preacher, saying you're a sinner for it or anything like that.

This is more for guys who are still under the spell of the paradigm, but in a different way.

I'm talking to those people on the side of the coin without those crazy results, but who still, on an emotional level, believe it actually matters.

I added "emotional level," because in your mind, you might have rejected this notion long ago. But in your body?

When you hear someone talk about it, or watch the below video, you may feel a disturbing charge in your body. That means you're still under the spell of body count.

A stong reaction in either direction (positive affirmation or negative resistence) means you are still falling for the paradigm and therefore stuck at a lower level of Dating, Relationships, Sexuality.

On a purely logical level, the amount of bodies you've tapped somehow being relevant to your life or anyone elses is hilarious and extremely self-centered.

We all know that.

But to oust that feeling of not being good enough (non-results side of the coin) or the racing feeling of "I gotta have another" (results side of the coin) is the tricky part of transcending it.

Truth is, feeling like you gotta bag 100+ bodies = deep insecurity (whether you succeed or not)

And all of that is encoded in:

• feeling
• body tissue
• vivid imagery

You cannot logic your way out of this.

About a year ago I started combining introspection with somatic therapy, removing the charge I once had around this issue.

Although I never consciously believed in body count conceptually, I still lived in reaction to it for almost 10 years. I was saddled with jealousy and fear even though it was not true to who I was and what I believed in as a person.

Every time I had a new sexual partner I'd mentally add a tally to an internal chalk board, as it if it meant fuck-all about what my life represents, let alone what it means to other people.

Whether you have 7 tally marks, 70, or 700, it really just doesn't mean shit. 

What actually matters is how deeply you can feel into your body, into your soul at all times, including during real sexual play. And then you take it a layer deeper, feeling into the body, the soul of your partner across from you. You do this because you value quality over quantity, a.k.a. you value alchemy over hi-scores.

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Anyways that's my rant.

I invite counter-agruments, nuance that I missed, examplary media, or anything else to enrich this thread.

Peace

Edited 6 hours ago by WonderSeeker

[aurum]

Good stuff.

You can worry about body count if you're never getting laid.

Once you've gotten laid a bit, forget about it. Massive diminishing returns for something that will cause you to miss higher aspects of life if you put too much emphasis on it.

[Hojo]

People need to be touched if they aren't touched they think about how many people they will touch. If not enough touching when you are baby and child you long for it when you are older.

Being touched by another human is a big part of human life. If you dont get it you long for it and start getting evil thought like im going to fuck 100 woman.

Edited 4 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

11 minutes ago, Hojo said:

People need to be touched if they aren't touched they think about how many people they will touch. If not enough touching when you are baby and child you long for it when you are older.

Being touched by another human is a big part of human life. If you dont get it you long for it and start getting evil thought like im going to fuck 100 woman.

Why is wanting to fuck 100 women an evil though? 

[Hojo]

@LordFall start with 1 bro. Wanting to have sex with 100 woman is a strange idea to get. You have no idea what can happen. Its like you ruminating on not getting any.

You thinking about woman like a hamburger.

Edited 4 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

A person that goes super deep into spirituality, including the energy work etc  can have one single sexual experience that is more strong and full on than the combo of all the sexual experiences of a more normal person doing “pick up” having sex with a bunch of different people , seeking that experience externally, missing the inner core transformation that forms basis of the quality of those experiences 

Good post btw 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, WonderSeeker said:

bulldozed their genitalia through human flesh and came out the other side wise as fuck.

That is such a funny wording you made right there 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Eskilon]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

A person that goes super deep into spirituality, including the energy work etc  can have one single sexual experience that is more strong and full on than the combo of all the sexual experiences of a more normal person doing “pick up” having sex with a bunch of different people , seeking that experience externally, missing the inner core transformation that forms basis of the quality of those experiences 

Wise girl

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Eskilon said:

Wise girl

The fact you recognized what I meant means you’re that too so yea you too, 😎😎

Edited 4 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Jirh]

That's such a low consciousness, materialistic, consumerist take.

I can only imagine people who think like this having around 700 demons running around in their heads. Deeply disturbed individuals, lacking every amount of mindfulness.

People are not numbers! They are not scores.

Another person said here that you're thinking about women like a hamburger. But it's deeper than that.

Thinking about hamburger as a casual thing to consume is the real problem.

You don't appreciate the burger. You don't even feel it. You just consume it.

And then you apply the same lack of mindfulness to sex.

And then you claim that weight doesn't matter.

And then you claim that health doesn't matter.

And the tragedy is that you don't even know that you did any of that.

Are you a robot? I hope you take this question seriously.

[LordFall]

42 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@LordFall start with 1 bro. Wanting to have sex with 100 woman is a strange idea to get. You have no idea what can happen. Its like you ruminating on not getting any.

You thinking about woman like a hamburger.

Are you a virgin and/or grew up deeply religious? Seems like a strange way to conceptualize the situation.

I have like a 50 body count and I've met some incredible women throughout my adventures and dated some of them. Looking forward to dating and sleeping with many more, I'm sure I'll get to 100 in the next few years. Sex is fun and you get to meet and talk to people more intimately than in day to day life. 

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[Hojo]

@LordFall You missed your wife.

I have had sex with maybe 20 woman.

I never tried to go out and have sex with woman it just happened.

Thinking I want to have sex with 100 woman is messed up.

You can have sex with 1 3000 times. Why you want 100?

I think pick up is cringe as fuck.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

33 minutes ago, Jirh said:

You don't appreciate the burger. You don't even feel it. You just consume it.

That’s cool a guy like you have capacity to appreciate a hamburger more than some of those guys can appreciate a woman 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Hojo]

@LordFall The logic of I am not going to maintain a relationship with someone because Im only on the 98th woman and need two more is not logic.

So even making the plan to sleep with 100 woman is weird thinking imo.

Like what if you meet a girl you really like on the 30th sex and want to be with them. You will abandon your plan or not?

The plan is just dumb. To me that is incel shit.

Its like Mcluvin superbad thoughts.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

@Hojo Sometimes I don’t understand things you post on this forum, in genuine way, and I think I’m not only one, but what you’ve been saying here I get and resonate with so that’s cool

Edited 3 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[LordFall]

@Hojo It doesn't seem to me like you have rational thoughts towards this if I'm being honest. Why would sleeping with more women remove the opportunity for someone to find a long term partner? There's also polyamory and open relationships. You can be in a marriage and practice ethical non-monogamy and still sleep with other people. 

@Sugarcoat What exactly do you resonate with? 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Hojo]

@LordFall Because you have no idea what is going to happen. The plan isnt a plan it assumes that someone is a resource to farm.

Its like making a plan that you are going to find 100 pumpkins and stick your dick in them.

Making a plan to be in an open relationship is fine, if things happen and you see people and are interested go for it. But to plan to sleep with a specific number of people different.

 

I plan to sleep with 100 woman.

With who? You are planning on sleeping with 100 human woman fuck machine. With no one in it. Its deranged.

You cant have a plan to gather experiences or go places but those are static. The ghost in the machine matters.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

I've met some incredible women

Have you, really? I'm having a hard time digesting this thought.

You say "incredible women" and then move on to the next dozen, as if nothing happened. That doesn't add up.

Incredible people are rare, and you're claiming to have met like half a dozen already. And you're still looking for more. What are you looking for exactly? If you don't mind me asking.

I think you're exaggerating about the quality of the women you've met, or maybe they were truly incredible and way out of your league that you couldn't keep them around, so you accepted the numbers game as a consolation prize.

[Jirh]

General rule of thumb:

Whatever body count a guy claims, divide it by 10.

[Osaid]

1 hour ago, Jirh said:

Whatever body count a guy claims, divide it by 10.

0 ÷ 10 = 0