How did the ( Illusion ) the sense of separation start?

[cetus]

Fear creates the illusion of separation.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

believe that is a misconception on your part. The difference is that I do not perceive living reality outside of myself in the world, but deep within, at the core of being.

Maybe I imagine what Ramana maharshi what to express and I'm wrong, and I thought you meant the same thing.

For me, there are like two types of meditative states. One is being in the pure fact of being; it feels bright, expansive, perfect, and vast. The other is opening yourself to the depth of what you are. It feels deep, alive, connected, and sensual. I have the feeling that for Ramana Maharshi, only the pure being is important to him; the depth doesn't interest him.

[Sugarcoat]

How do you guys even meditate, when I tried it it’s like my body is screaming at me to get tf up and exercise or something instead, why you sitting still. Like it’s not the ego tension preventing me it’s the muscle tension. I can’t relate to these yogis, who just sit there, and not only their ego dissolving but their muscles too, double death. Guess I’ll not be enlightened in this lifetime 

Edited Friday at 08:25 PM by Sugarcoat

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you guys even meditate, when I tried it it’s like my body is screaming at me to get tf up and exercise or something instead, why you sitting still. Like it’s not the ego tension preventing me it’s the muscle tension. I can’t relate to these yogis, who just sit there, and not only their ego dissolving but their muscles too, double death. Guess I’ll not be enlightened in this lifetime 

You are saying that your problem is more physiological than psychological? Like it's not a problem of boredom but pain in the muscles?

Edited Friday at 10:00 PM by Eskilon

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you guys even meditate, when I tried it it’s like my body is screaming at me to get tf up and exercise or something instead, why you sitting still. Like it’s not the ego tension preventing me it’s the muscle tension. I can’t relate to these yogis, who just sit there, and not only their ego dissolving but their muscles too, double death. Guess I’ll not be enlightened in this lifetime 

Try working hard the day, they train hard 1,5 h , then meditate with a micro dose of psylocibin and 1 puff of weed, maybe another of DMT. I know that this doesn't sound like a yogui but works good. The important thing is not the drugs, it's that you can be silent, without interpreting, then drugs in small dose are very useful to make your shell softer. Also the feeling is pleasant. After a while you can get in meditative state without drugs, but at first are a great help. 

What you have said is true, at first you try to meditate and it's extremely stressing, it's something against your natural impulse

Edited Friday at 10:44 PM by Breakingthewall

[UnbornTao]

13 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you guys even meditate, when I tried it it’s like my body is screaming at me to get tf up and exercise or something instead, why you sitting still. Like it’s not the ego tension preventing me it’s the muscle tension. I can’t relate to these yogis, who just sit there, and not only their ego dissolving but their muscles too, double death. Guess I’ll not be enlightened in this lifetime 

Ah, BS. Your body will slowly get used to longer periods of sitting. You just have to do it. You can also meditate while walking, cooking, etc.

Awakening isn't really the aim of meditation; it's generally directed at calming and focusing the mind and shifting to a more relaxed state.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-05 at 11:56 PM, Eskilon said:

You are saying that your problem is more physiological than psychological? Like it's not a problem of boredom but pain in the muscles?

Yes. I have extreme case of muscle tension 

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Ah, BS. Your body will slowly get used to longer periods of sitting. You just have to do it. You can also meditate while walking, cooking, etc.

Awakening isn't really the aim of meditation; it's generally directed at calming and focusing the mind and shifting to a more relaxed state.

Yes, you can meditate when walking etc. and you can also meditate while doing  dynamic movements 
 

Why would someone like me with extreme levels of muscle tension chose to sit still for a long time, when I can do dynamic movements for however long 

 And get that effect you talk about (which I’ve thought about too, how I think meditation has much more of that calming etc effect rather than awakening one) PLUS better feeling in the physical body 
 

Actually, the improved feeling in the physical body helps the mental too, helps relax it even deeper than if you didn’t improve the physical feeling 

What you mean by “get used to it”? Just because the body stops bothering you doesn’t mean it wouldnt be better for its health to move more instead . 

Edited 6 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[UnbornTao]

42 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yes, you can meditate when walking etc. and you can also meditate while doing  dynamic movements 
 

Why would someone like me with extreme levels of muscle tension chose to sit still for a long time, when I can do dynamic movements for however long 

 And get that effect you talk about (which I’ve thought about too, how I think meditation has much more of that calming etc effect rather than awakening one) PLUS better feeling in the physical body 
 

Actually, the improved feeling in the physical body helps the mental too, helps relax it even deeper than if you didn’t improve the physical feeling 

What you mean by “get used to it”? Just because the body stops bothering you doesn’t mean it wouldnt be better for its health to move more instead . 

It definitely helps.

I'm obviously not familiar with your condition, but yes, as with stretching the body, the muscles and nervous system will eventually get accustomed due to them being trained.

I wasn't saying to choose one over the other. Movement is beneficial. If you want to sit for about half an hour, or whatever you find slightly physically challenging, then you just do it until the body adapts - and again, I don't know what your condition is. This isn't medical advice.

It could simply be a limiting belief, an excuse, maybe a lack of desire or discipline to do so, or something else entirely. Training is useful, in any case. I'd say it's more about being mindful than about sitting down or mechanically following a ritual. 

Edited 5 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Osaid]

On 6/5/2026 at 2:24 PM, Sugarcoat said:

when I tried it it’s like my body is screaming at me to get tf up and exercise or something instead, why you sitting still.

What about when you're trying to fall asleep? Same deal?