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[Breakingthewall]

@VeganAwake you are stuck in that idea about identification. I'm describing what's happening, not identifying with it, I'm just observing it. Do you respire or not? Why?

Are you perhaps identifying with the idea that nothing matters and that everything is complete? What's clear is that you can't read a text carefully and you automatically formulate a condescending response to diminish the other person's perspective as if they were a New Age fool. In every message, you exude a bit of your toxicity disguised as enlightenment and superiority. Patience is needed to interact with you.

At least you stopped to finish your passive aggressive messages with a ❤️, and that's a huge improvement. Keep improving

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

So because of this phenomenon, the illusory identification there, will never grasp what's being communicated here. It's completely hopeless in that sense.

Man, you can't understand how I understand you and your simple strategy. You are a defensive structure that walks and tries to humillate others to feel safe. You posted here thousands of message and absolutely all of them are exactly the same. You can't engage a conversation, you only talk to yourself and if the other tries to make a point you try to humillate him with your eternal mantra. It's so boring. 

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

can't fathom its existence or reality as meaningless or without purpose...........it's like cryptonite for identification

Read my previous post. I know that some IQ is needed but read many times and maybe you get the idea. I told that there is no purpose neither intention. I will repeat: no purpose, no intention ❤️ did you get it? Read again before repeating the mantra and the condescendence. 

But there is a drive in reality: existing. And "matters" it's just the expression of that drive

Again, read: no purpose, no intention 

Read this: no intention, no identification 

But reality is happening 

And I am that. Because I am

And being is positive drive, affirmation, because the other option, not being, is not. 

It's a fact, not an identity 

Anyway it's stupid exercise, you can't read or understand anything because you only want to put the others low with your mantra to feel safe. Unbearable, honestly. 

[Someone here]

14 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Countless explanations can be given, but what is your actual experience of the emotion?

Irritation in the body and a desire to fight the other person .

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@VeganAwake Patience is needed to interact with you.

But reality is happening 

And I am that. Because I am

And being is positive drive, affirmation, because the other option, not being, is not. 

It's a fact, not an identity 

Anyway it's stupid exercise, you can't read or understand anything because you only want to put the others low with your mantra to feel safe. Unbearable, honestly. 

Again, it must be convenient to have instant amnesia for the things said there.

I just think what's talked about here, triggers and frustrates the self illusion there. It goes against its illusory framework or paradigm. It threatens its own reality and entire fantastical belief system of being all of reality(undercover delusional narcissism). 

YOU ARE NOT ALL OF REALITY! THAT WHICH BELIEVES IT IS, IS A GIANT INFLATED SPIRITUAL EGO/SELF ILLUSION. THAT EXACT IDENTIFICATION THATS SAYING "I AM THAT", IS THE SELF ILLUSION. GET IT!!!

And of course everything said here sounds the same and gets boring. The communication doesn't change or offer anything to that stubborn self illusion. It's a completely uncompromising communication.

It would be strange and very questionable if the communication changed drastically over time, wouldn't it?

What's being communicated here is timeless. It doesn't change depending on how many psychedelic drugs/trips have taken place, and steered the imagination drastically.

And of course a confident communication that completely denies the existence of that identity is going to be attacked and labeled as malarkey. 

That's it's main defense mechanism.

If it can undermine the credibility of the messenger, it doesn't have to take seriously the implications of the message.

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

YOU ARE NOT ALL OF REALITY! THAT WHICH BELIEVES IT IS, IS A GIANT INFLATED SPIRITUAL EGO/SELF ILLUSION. THAT EXACT IDENTIFICATION THATS SAYING "I AM THAT", IS THE SELF ILLUSION. GET IT!!!

Im going to explain it simply, lets see if you can get it. I know that you have listened a lot of neo advaita videos and now you are convinced that you are enlightened and special, but look at this .

The reality exist. 

In the reality a self appears: you

It's not that the reality wants it, it's just that a self appears. It's not an illusion, it's a creation of the brain. Self means recognition of the fact of being.

Then in the reality there is recognition of the fact of being, despite is nothing matters or everything matters, there is that fact. Recognition of being. A dog is that, and you too. 

Then reality has a self because in reality is recognition of being. And you are that self. 

There are others self but all of them are exactly the same: recognition of being. 

Then you are the fucking reality being aware of itself. It's simple, why the hell you say that this obvious reality is an illusion? Stop watching those videos, are dangerous, they create psychosis, BE CAREFUL!!!

Edited yesterday at 04:47 PM by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

8 hours ago, Someone here said:

Irritation in the body and a desire to fight the other person .

Is that all it is?

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's simple, why the hell you say that this obvious reality is an illusion? 

Then you are the fucking reality being aware of itself.

I never said reality is an illusion. 

I said the identification that believes it's the reality being aware of itself, is an illusion. 

That experience of being self aware and conscious, is just the body's senses coupled with the conditioned imagination of the body. 

Basically that body's mind over there has become an entity in-of-itself. It has convinced itself that it is all of reality.

What's being said here is that is not the case, it's a very tiny piece within reality, but it's not all of reality itself.

The source that claims I'm fucking reality being aware of itself, is completely unreal!

I'm sorry Breakingthewall self illusion. You are not all of reality. It's a tough fact to grasp. It can feel like the rug was pulled out from under you and that you've been bamboozled for year's.

Fortunately I offer counseling at the reasonable price of only $200 an hour to help you through this disidentification process 🤑

[VeganAwake]

That doesn't include the tip!

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

What's being said here is that is not the case, it's a very tiny piece within reality, but it's not all of reality itself.

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

 

Seems that you don't understand. The reality is unlimited, the unlimited is not big or tiny, is not dimensional, dimensions are a possibility that happen. Anything that appears is the unlimited expressed as a part. It's not that appears IN the unlimited because there is not in or out, they are the unlimited. Then if you are you are the unlimited, there is not choice 

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

That experience of being self aware and conscious, is just the body's senses coupled with the conditioned imagination of the body. 

Could be what you want, it's a fact, is a self reflection that is happening. Could be conditioned or anything, but it is, then there is experience of being self aware, period. 

If an experience of being self aware happens, even you call it illusion or anything, an experience of being self aware is happening. And as everything that exists is the reality (that is unlimited) then who is self aware? The reality. 

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I'm sorry Breakingthewall self illusion. You are not all of reality.

The reality is not something that can be divided in pieces, it's unlimited potential, possibility, something that manifests in forms relative to other forms, but each one is the reality. The reality is not someone, it's the reality, not a person, the person is an expression of the reality. But as the person is self aware (illusory or not) the reality is self aware. Could be more obvious?

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

The source that claims I'm fucking reality being aware of itself, is completely unreal

So the reality is unreal. Well, then what is real? 

Edited yesterday at 07:23 PM by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

Reality IS limited then because it cant become unaware of itself being all of reality any longer 😝 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Reality IS limited then because it cant become unaware of itself being all of reality any longer 😝 

Your view is that reality is a very large set of many things, and the things that appear are small parts, and all of them together compose reality.

Let's see, if the manifestations of reality are potentially infinite, that's not a large set, but rather dimensionless. Dimensions are possibilities in reality; it's not that reality is in space, but that space is a possibility that can occur.

So there are no parts, there are different manifestations or perspectives of reality. Reality is unlimited being; it's, let's say, a quality, not a large thing. It's the fact of being because there are no limits. It's neither large nor small; anything, an atom, is the reality, because it is. And anything has form in relationships with everything else, but it's quality is the absolute fact of being. 

So, if there is consciousness of being, this means that the absolute being is conscious of being, even if it's a schizophrenic who believes he is Jesus; he is conscious of being. Therefore, the absolute being,  what exist , is conscious of itself. Don't you see that it's obvious?

[UnbornTao]

10 hours ago, Someone here said:

Irritation in the body and a desire to fight the other person .

Not sure "irritation" is the most appropriate term here, but I take your point.

What's underneath the desire to destroy?

If I insulted you, where in your experience would you find anger? (As if.)

In any case, you can see that these, by themselves, don't demand a response. I bet you've experienced this at least once: being angry, and then suddenly not. So what's up with that?

[James123]

On 5/17/2026 at 8:23 AM, VeganAwake said:

We are just like the grass growing and the salmon spawning, just like a wildfire or disease spreading. 

It's not crucial or important. It just happens.

It doesn't matter if it continues or stops.

It doesn't matter if reality is understood or not, or if you keep trying 

The fame and fortune won't matter or eating healthy and exercising. The meditation, yoga and spiritual practices neither.

Nothing will save us, not knowing, not enlightenment, not not knowing 

It's totally hopeless, but in this understanding there is also a sense of relief, a relaxation glimpse, a sense of unconditional freedom maybe.

An invitation to inevitable hopeless freedom 

When you realize that even thinking of above is the flow of life. Actually anything that happens is flow of life, including saying that "it is totally hopeless", or god realization or eating or walking, therefore, as seeing life is happening with itself, via itself, trough itself, in that moment freedom doesn't come, freedom is Now.

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Not sure "irritation" is the most appropriate term here, but I take your point.

What's underneath the desire to destroy?

If I insulted you, where in your experience would you find anger? (As if.)

In any case, you can see that these, by themselves, don't demand a response. I bet you've experienced this at least once: being angry, and then suddenly not. So what's up with that?

If someone in real life makes fun of me or insult me or scream disrespectfully on me I experience irritation in my body and I experience an urge to react negatively towards these insults . Yes I can and I do understand that that’s not what I should do but it’s not completely under my control. That’s my experience.

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your view is that reality is a very large set of many things, and the things that appear are small parts, and all of them together compose reality.

Let's see, if the manifestations of reality are potentially infinite, that's not a large set, but rather dimensionless. Dimensions are possibilities in reality; it's not that reality is in space, but that space is a possibility that can occur.

So there are no parts, there are different manifestations or perspectives of reality. Reality is unlimited being; it's, let's say, a quality, not a large thing. It's the fact of being because there are no limits. It's neither large nor small; anything, an atom, is the reality, because it is. And anything has form in relationships with everything else, but it's quality is the absolute fact of being. 

So, if there is consciousness of being, this means that the absolute being is conscious of being, even if it's a schizophrenic who believes he is Jesus; he is conscious of being. Therefore, the absolute being,  what exist , is conscious of itself. Don't you see that it's obvious?

My view is that reality doesn't have a prerogative. It doesn't have an end goal it's trying to reach. Humans just  project those qualities onto reality. There definitely seems to be a survival quality but it's more like a programed instinct rather than intelligent decision making.

And obviously within reality there are biological creatures that appear to be self aware or self conscious, but there isn't an all encompassing consciousness or universal consciousness actually happening.

The identification of Being this conscious universal reality it what I totally disagree with.

That identification aspect was clearly recognized here to be completely illusory.

It's like a delusional exaduration of the self illusion (spiritual ego)

 

We don't have to agree on these points.........reality still flows regardless!!!

 

[Sugarcoat]

10 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

desire to destroy

Just daily casual occurrence you know 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

My view is that reality doesn't have a prerogative. It doesn't have an end goal it's trying to reach. Humans just  project those qualities onto reality. There definitely seems to be a survival quality but it's more like a programed instinct rather than intelligent decision making.

15 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

 

I agree with that. I think you're misunderstanding my view because you immediately equate it with religious or New Age spiritual thinking.

Reality isn't a universal consciousness that does things for certain reasons. If reality is limitless, it simply happens, as you say. But the point is that this fact, the fact of its manifestation, is inevitable given the absence of limits.

So, if reality implies the unlimited manifestation of the possible, unlimited volume plus randomness regulated by necessary coherence, this is exactly the same as infinite intelligence. Not because there's a conscious god who decides what to do, but because the processing power is infinite, and only the absolutely coherent can appear. If something isn't coherent with the whole, it's not possible. Therefore, there's a constant creative pressure given the limitlessness, and when there's a niche, a possibility, reality fills it. This is equivalent to absolute intelligence, even without intention. There's inevitability, which is the same thing than intention. 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

And obviously within reality there are biological creatures that appear to be self aware or self conscious, but there isn't an all encompassing consciousness or universal consciousness actually happening.

Sure, those biological creatures are conscious, not made by the consciousness. Are made by the drive of reality to create complex stable structures just because it's unlimited. But those conscious living beings are the reality manifested as self aware beings, then reality is self aware through them . They are the reality knowing that is. Not because anyone did it, just because it's possible and happens. 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The identification of Being this conscious universal reality it what I totally disagree with.

The problem is that you think that reality is made by parts, then you are a part, but the part is the whole in essence, not in form. The "substance" of anything is the unlimited 

The only point of all this is open yourself to the absolute nature of the reality, that's your nature. This is the absolute being, and it's absolutely eternal, it's what emerges from the fact of the absence of limits

You can't die because you are not you, you are the fact of being, when you die another is going to live, it's you, it's always you. I am you with different content. If you meditate to the absolute emptiness, where only the fact of being remains, and I do the same, the difference between us is zero, we are just a reflexive structure. That structure is going to happen always 

But the real point here is, when you achieve this zero where only "I am" remains, open yourself to the absolute nature of being. The absolute power of the unlimited, the power that creates universes, this is what you are. It's absolutely real. There is an universe right? It's nature is the same nature of anything else. It's not an individual, it's the unlimited source. When you open yourself to it, the absolute light manifest, that's why they use the word "enlightenment"

Edited 9 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Razard86]

You are just unconscious to the existence of soul and spirit. You have not gone deep enough in spirituality to become conscious of what they are. 

I have become conscious of soul and spirit and what you don't understand is without soul and spirit you cannot have reality at all.

If you study psychology at all you can learn about the id, the ego and the superego 

The superego is your soul. The ego is the personal human identity and personality and the id is your instinct, and bodily desires.

God is not an idiot God imagines things in a certain way to produce a result.

Religion didn't happen by accident. Religion exists because God created Infinite Souls. Each Soul is an aspect of Infinity and at the highest level that Soul is equal to Absolute Infinity. 

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I have become conscious of soul and spirit and what you don't understand is without soul and spirit you cannot have reality at all.

What do you mean by this?

I connected what you wrote to something I've thought about:

If someone has no sense of self, how can there be any experience of reality at all for them? To me, when I hear certain "non dualists" speak, it almost sounds like they are saying, that from their perspective, reality is identical to the perspective that a rock on the ground is having: absolutely nothing, "nothing happening". Identical to deep sleep, UNconsciousness.

Maybe this is not at all related to what you are saying, but it came to my mind. It's just weird to me, like it seems you HAVE to have some kind of sense of self to even have any sense of there being a "happening" at all. 

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What do you mean by this?

I connected what you wrote to something I've thought about:

If someone has no sense of self, how can there be any experience of reality at all for them? To me, when I hear certain "non dualists" speak, it almost sounds like they are saying, that from their perspective, reality is identical to the perspective that a rock on the ground is having: absolutely nothing, "nothing happening". Identical to deep sleep, UNconsciousness.

Maybe this is not at all related to what you are saying, but it came to my mind. It's just weird to me, like it seems you HAVE to have some kind of sense of self to even have any sense of there being a "happening" at 

The nondualists speak from that level of understanding because the truth of no self is illogical to the ego. 

If you go deep enough in this work you will discover what they are talking about.

The only reason the no self awakening is so important is it opens you up to the universe.

No self= nothingness. The truth is being does not know anything all it wants to do is be love.

Truth knows everything. Truth is division and love is unity. Because love is unity Truth is also unity.

The biggest secret you will discover is Reality is pure insanity with an illusion of sanity. You cannot understand God trying to hold onto your sanity.

Also you will have to pay for the evil your fellow humans have done in your trips if you hold any negative thoughts about them because love will take their side.

The truth is the scariest thing because love is the scariest thing. I mean love is total freedom so it means it can do anything.

If it wasn't for truth God wouldn't be good. Love is evil and truth is good.

[Sugarcoat]

43 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

The nondualists speak from that level of understanding because the truth of no self is illogical to the ego. 

If you go deep enough in this work you will discover what they are talking about.

The only reason the no self awakening is so important is it opens you up to the universe.

No self= nothingness. The truth is being does not know anything all it wants to do is be love.

Truth knows everything. Truth is division and love is unity. Because love is unity Truth is also unity.

The biggest secret you will discover is Reality is pure insanity with an illusion of sanity. You cannot understand God trying to hold onto your sanity.

Also you will have to pay for the evil your fellow humans have done in your trips if you hold any negative thoughts about them because love will take their side.

The truth is the scariest thing because love is the scariest thing. I mean love is total freedom so it means it can do anything.

If it wasn't for truth God wouldn't be good. Love is evil and truth is good.

Yea as I said I didn't understand it, and you confirmed I truly dont hahah which is okay, I was just "minding" a little

I thought id ask you something else, because I get the sense youre not shying away from super radical ideas, if you dont mind

Ive had experiences which has made it seem like my reality is not connected to others reality fully.

What I mean is that I might be experiencing something, but the person near me seems like they are not, but normally they should experience it, because we are in the same situation. 

A very simple example from my own life that actually happened: 

I am walking with family members, we are talking, then I get an impulse to say something critical and "offensive" (something I know sits near their heart). It's not something I usually do btw. 

So im saying it, but I get zero reaction. And I mean zero, those people are not even looking at me. Nothing about them is suggesting they actually heard me speaking. And im speaking in the same tone in which the convo had prior to saying the "offensive" thing.

This is only one example, I have several more, even more suggestive ones, but I think this illuminates it.

Basically, could it happen, that your reality and someone else reality is not connected fully, meaning that : from your perspective, you are saying the thing. But actually, from their perspective you are not saying it at all, they are experiencing you as quiet. 

This is probably my most radical idea, but I genuinely started to doubt my reality after having several of these experiences . These experiences made me truly question this

I could elaborate further on my theories, but ill let this be and see if you have any input or maybe this sounds too ungrounded even for you ehehe

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Sugarcoat