Women are the Superior sex

[aurum]

Superior according to what value system?

[Lila9]

If the implication is that women have more power and privilege in society, then this is not accurate.

Most issues women are dealing with, such as misogyny, rape culture, unpaid emotional and care labor, systemic oppression, and gender-based violence, can't be resolved without men cooperating (which they are mostly not willing to assist women with).

On the other hand, men's issues can be resolved by actions men can take but often don’t because of patriarchal gender expectations to which they conform, since they do benefit from the patriarchal system to a large extent.

Patriarchy harms both, but for women it literally oppresses, while for men it mainly imposes constraints along with privilege. Men would tolerate the constraints as long as they are given the comfort of privilege over women.

As long as men, as a collective, do not understand that in order to remove the patriarchal constraints from themselves, they need to give up their privilege over women and consciously address the horrors and issues women are dealing with under patriarchy, there will be no change.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Jannes Yeah so, my stance is that as we fix issues facing women, that might present as huge focuses, our quality of existence as men AND women increases. Men’s problems sometimes appear more acute once women gain equality. This highlights where there may have been issues with men the entire time, but because the greater threat to progression was women's issues, problems weren't visible.

Men face some rigid gender stereotypes that need to be challenged. And the source of these needs to be assessed - because some of these harmful stereotypes are extrinsic. Men face a loneliness epidemic today because their main source of connection, affection and companionship is no longer 'guaranteed' due to women's equality movements. Women generally have stronger interpersonal connections with each other AND men - meaning they spread burden of connection needs over many people. Men often just have themselves and their partner. The loneliness epidemic references is an example of the structural consequence of shifting gender roles: men are often socially habituated to connect mainly through romantic relationships or traditional hierarchies. This explains a lot of the MGTOW movement; many of these men are realizing the bond between men is important. A bond that perhaps was neglected when women weren't as free, due to women being subjugated to men previously (before feminism and women's rights). Resenting women for this loss of 'supply' is an issue that feeds Red Pill ideology.

The problems arise when we try to come up with 'solutions'. There is an attempt to try to return to rigid gender stereotypes to feed needs. There are also some toxic ideologies proposing control of external structures to ensure men's emotional health. Again it's the wrong direction. Social connection needs to be emphasised as a need for men, a need that is normal & absolutely integral to their health and wellbeing. A need that doesn't necessarily need to be serviced in totality by women. 

Many people blame feminism for these issues - when all it did was reveal these existing cracks. I think it simply illustrates weaknesses already baked into an old system we are outgrowing. The above is just an example - but looking at men in education is another example of this phenomenon  - they are falling behind. Men's rights to custody of children is another inherent bias in the system that needs looking into. There are many more...

What do you think?

Edited 16 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[enchanted]

4 hours ago, Osaid said:

Materialism disguised as gender "science".

Basically....I'm better because I have more things. 

Actually a great point. 

Thanks everyone for your great prospectives on this! 

Edited 16 hours ago by enchanted

[Basman]

Feminism is pro independence. By necessity it is going to contribute to atomization and the breaking of communal bonds. 

[Jirh]

Sexless grannies are the superior sex. They're wiser and less impulsive.

[enchanted]

2 hours ago, Jirh said:

Sexless grannies are the superior sex. They're wiser and less impulsive.

Lol in some way that's true. Grandma's are great

[Spiral]

You’re diving towards the deep end if you think one race or gender is objectively better in general

Commonly known as internet brain or collective delusion

[No1Here2c]

19 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

A touch of the devils advocate 😉 

Men and women need each other

Here is my touch of advocacy for the devil.

Side note: 'need' is a far stretch, but we can settle for that.

'Superiority' is not the proper paradigm to be approaching this.

21 hours ago, enchanted said:

contemplate why the universe thought it was a good idea to create a superior sex in the first place. 

The universe created both sexes without a need, desire, or thought for inherent superiority. Universe does not give a shit about "good idea" other than through us.

Have you seen the things wandering this planet?

At least half of them are brilliantly pathetic ideas.

Superiority, as it is being held in this frame, based upon tendencies, traits, & activities, is an imagined, abstract construction held within the human mind. It has no grounding or foothold existing in the reality 'out there'. It is purely mental.

Sexes, better to be viewed from a position of neutrality, taking into consideration the abilities and unique skills of both. In reconciliated understanding of the synergies of cooperative utilization of the specialities of both, we may be able to form strong societies.

Quote

Lao Tzu once said: "Know the masculine but stick to the feminine."

This is not a literal value judgement, it is a sentence of guidance and directive so as to assist you with your own internal affairs.

~♤~

If we want to see it from my perspective,

'Superiority' begins in the air. Own the air, own the battlegrounds.

Without air superiority, there is little to no chance of dominance on the ground. If ground dominance is held without accompanying air dominance, it will soon likely be lost. Much influence & power is often able to be exerted upon exposed ground forces from a position of aerial control.

This is where 'superiority' somes into play. Do not get lost in fantastical ideas of biological sex superiority, or anything of the like.

[Jannes]

15 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Jannes Yeah so, my stance is that as we fix issues facing women, that might present as huge focuses, our quality of existence as men AND women increases. Men’s problems sometimes appear more acute once women gain equality. This highlights where there may have been issues with men the entire time, but because the greater threat to progression was women's issues, problems weren't visible.

Men face some rigid gender stereotypes that need to be challenged. And the source of these needs to be assessed - because some of these harmful stereotypes are extrinsic. Men face a loneliness epidemic today because their main source of connection, affection and companionship is no longer 'guaranteed' due to women's equality movements. Women generally have stronger interpersonal connections with each other AND men - meaning they spread burden of connection needs over many people. Men often just have themselves and their partner. The loneliness epidemic references is an example of the structural consequence of shifting gender roles: men are often socially habituated to connect mainly through romantic relationships or traditional hierarchies. This explains a lot of the MGTOW movement; many of these men are realizing the bond between men is important. A bond that perhaps was neglected when women weren't as free, due to women being subjugated to men previously (before feminism and women's rights). Resenting women for this loss of 'supply' is an issue that feeds Red Pill ideology.

The problems arise when we try to come up with 'solutions'. There is an attempt to try to return to rigid gender stereotypes to feed needs. There are also some toxic ideologies proposing control of external structures to ensure men's emotional health. Again it's the wrong direction. Social connection needs to be emphasised as a need for men, a need that is normal & absolutely integral to their health and wellbeing. A need that doesn't necessarily need to be serviced in totality by women. 

Many people blame feminism for these issues - when all it did was reveal these existing cracks. I think it simply illustrates weaknesses already baked into an old system we are outgrowing. The above is just an example - but looking at men in education is another example of this phenomenon  - they are falling behind. Men's rights to custody of children is another inherent bias in the system that needs looking into. There are many more...

What do you think?

I think its important to go through these points one by one. 

Yeah the male loneliness epidemic is a thing and feminism is a factor but not the only one. The internet, covid, remote work ... all play into it. How much women/ feminists are judged for it I dont know. 

I also think its cruical that men find ways to meet their emotional needs without soley relying on a romantic partner. Heck its a big struggle in my life and I put a lot of thought and strategizing into it.

I think men are just a lot worse at doing care work for each other hormonally (less estrogen) but its also what masculinity entails. For masculinity you need to split up a part of your personality, make a part of yourself numb, stoic and functional. Vera Birkenbihl once put it like this, when a couple sleeps at night and some kind of dangerous noises arise, the women sends the men to look for a potential threat. He might feel all sort of negative emotions about it, like he might be scared but isnt allowed to feel those emotions, so he tells himself to not be a pussy and splits up that scared part of his personality and numb it. But then that women will also complain that he isnt emotionally available. Well both things cant exist at the same time, a men cant both be the stoic functional protector or whatever other role he needs to fill and at the same time be perfectly emotionally available. 

That explains why traditional males cant emotionally regulate themselves and others as well and why traditional males needed emotional support from feminine women. 

Maybe those old gender roles are outdated, survival pressure isnt as big as it used to be and women take some of that pressure off so logically men can reduce their split personality, be less menly and more emotionally available in the process. Thats a big shift for both men and women. Men would need to reinvent themselves and women would need to signal that they want and reward more feminine men.

I think its one direction/ trend we are going into. 

Or maybe menly men are needed in todays society which would mean though that those men need external emotional support. Then the question would be how to manage that emotional support need more consciously.