Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Carl-Richard]

And I'll address the "why don't you leave?" question which is regularly asked and is a serious question. There are obviously pros and cons to being here.

But if there is one reason to leave, it's that engaging in an atmosphere where delusions are entertained like this erodes your relationship to truth and that constantly calling it out invokes a certain mental state that is not healthy in the long run (one of incessant cuttingness and antagonism) and if you don't call it out, you also invoke a mental state that is not healthy (one of denial, submission, dissociation). 

Whichever way you slice it, you erode your relationship to truth and how you relate to other people in a healthy way.

Edited 8 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Osaid]

I don't know him well enough to say he's a narcissist. But he is quite objectively narcissistic, I think. I guess he'd say "that's important for being successful" or something.

[Carl-Richard]

As for "you guys just don't understand ambition", this response is entirely wrong and misleading. It's not ambitious to say "I am the most conscious being in the universe" or "I am the #1 authority on epistemology in the entire world". Those are claims of what you are, not what you are trying to become. If your ambition is finding the most accurate picture of reality in the entire world, that is entirely different than claiming you already have it.

And if you think you already have a pretty accurate picture of reality and you're currently not convinced that anyone is providing a better alternative, you say "this is the most accurate picture of reality I have found and I'm currently not convinced of any better alternative". You don't say "I'm the #1 authority on what constitutes an accurate picture of reality". That's a "subtle" nuance of epistemology right there.

And notice how sneaky he is in that post "I genuinely believe that I can understand Reality better than any human who has ever lived". As if he hasn't already said that he does understand it better than any human that has ever lived. It's sneaky snaky behavior.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Joseph Maynor]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

As for "you guys just don't understand ambition", this response is entirely wrong and misleading. It's not ambitious to say "I am the most conscious being in the universe" or "I am the #1 authority on epistemology in the entire world". Those are claims of what you are, not what you're trying to become. If your ambition is finding the most accurate picture of reality in the entire world, that is entirely different than claiming you already have it.

And if you think you already have a pretty accurate picture of reality and you're currently not convinced that anyone is providing a better alternative, you say "this is the most accurate picture of reality I have found and I'm currently not convinced of any better alternative". You don't say "I'm the #1 authority on what constitutes an accurate picture of reality". That's a "subtle" nuance of epistemology right there.

Yes.  This is not what one wants to do ideally.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

"this is the most accurate picture of reality I have found and I'm currently not convinced of any better alternative".

That is not awakening that is theory.  

[Carl-Richard]

30 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is not awakening that is theory.  

He speaks about both awakening and theory. And to claim to be #1 in either, let alone both, is ludicrous. It is ridiculous beyond parody 100x over in a strangeloop that I have to say this. It's actually beneath anyone that they should even entertain this as a thought for one second.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

And to claim to be #1 in either, let alone both, is ludicrous. It is ridiculous beyond parody 100x over in a strangeloop that I have to say this. It's actually beneath anyone that they should even entertain this as a thought for one second.

I wasn't disputing this. This is just immaturity.  There is no "most" awakened being there is just the awakened and the asleep.   If you think this then you aren't awake.  You're just being foolish.  That isn't an insult it's just what it is.  So I'm just saying that after you awaken you wouldn't say "this is the most accurate picture of reality I've found"   So you shouldn't expect him to make statements like this.  You should expect better of him than to proclaim "I am the best! I am more conscious than you".  But nothing surprises me anymore.  And, enlightened individuals shouldn't he held in a box as to their level of maturity.  They can still act like egotistical children.  Though I would expect more from them.  

Edited 29 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

And if you think you already have a pretty accurate picture of reality and you're currently not convinced that anyone is providing a better alternative, you say "this is the most accurate picture of reality I have found and I'm currently not convinced of any better alternative". You don't say "I'm the #1 authority on what constitutes an accurate picture of reality". That's a "subtle" nuance of epistemology right there.

Exactly. If I thought I understood reality better than everybody else, what is the point of implying it or saying it out loud on a regular basis? If I did that, I would have alarm bells ringing that my ego is being juiced. If you're often invoking or dealing in the idea that you're superior to others, it's the most obvious thing ever that your ego is getting juiced. A perceptive child can detect this.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Exactly. If I thought I understood reality better than everybody else, what is the point of implying it or saying it out loud on a regular basis? If I did that, I would have alarm bells ringing that my ego is being juiced. If you're often invoking or dealing in the idea that you're superior to others, it's the most obvious thing ever that your ego is getting juiced. A perceptive child can detect this.

The funny thing is we spend so much time here saying its not about being better.  Or smarter.  It is what it is.  Reality i mean. A more expected response from one who is God realized - who is in the public eye - would be - to tell the story of their awakening and what they discovered to be true through direct experience (mysticism) whether someone wants to believe there is any truth to it is irrelevant.  Or whether they think it is "correct" or not is irrelevant.   Put the stuff and the wisdom out there if you want to, as a framework for others to find it for themselves. But childish games are unnecessary.   

Edited 18 minutes ago by Inliytened1