superficiality of fame

[Olaf]

I think everyone consciously or unconsciously has a belief that fame makes you happy or at least feel successful. As someone who performs for many people every week, I can tell you that being famous is so superficial. It's like your parents applauding for you flushing down the toilet, if that makes any sense. Like good boy or girl, you flushed the toilet, now we clap for you. Now the worst thing is that nobody knows you truly, so they only know you from your performance, so they clap for your performance, that doesn´t mean they love you, it doesn´t even mean they like you, it means just an applause for whatever you do.

Now even if you made people cry in a full stadium, that doesn´t make them know you at all, its just a projection of who you are that is misplaced. They put you on a pedestal, when you're just a normal guy or girl. So truely its always on a very superficial level and it doesn´t even feel like its you, even if it is you, even if its authentically you, you are aware that social proof and your positioning is the only reason why they are reacting the way they do, if you would be a homeless junkie they would spit on you, its all because of your positioning and if you would position yourself differently they would act completly differently to you.

So what is the goal of aiming for fame? If the fame leads to purpose or money, sure, then it makes sense, but for the sake of fame alone, that doesn't make any sense, because the validation is just empty encouragement. Chasing validation is like chasing an empty cloud, it brings you nothing, at least not in the happiness or inner fulfillment level.

My best performance, everyone cheering, clapping, giving me positive feedback etc. At the end I went to bed feeling almost disassociated with myself, like they were clapping for who I presented myself to be (aka performance) not for me. These people would be the same people who would laugh at me if I failed, who would ignore me if I didn't have any social proof and who wouldn't care if I lived or died, only because I got social proof, the right positioning and a good performance, they "love" me. What is not me at all, it's just a few minutes of a quick impression of my performance, not a 10-hour-long deep talk, talking deeply about the depths of me or whatever they want to get to know about me. Anyways thats enough about me hahaha, just wanted to share this for someone that is chasing empty fame consciously or unconsciously and give you a heads up of what it feels like. Don't chase a high, do it for the money or for a purpose.

[Joseph Maynor]

Fame is not bad necessarily.  It can be the foundation for a successful business.  It can be used for good.

[Olaf]

@Joseph Maynor I am not saying its bad, its just not fulfilling, inner fulfillment, thats why I said do it for purpose or for money, not for fame itself.

[LordFall]

Fame is phenomenal. It's the impact you have on your community and the world as a whole. It takes a lot of skill or luck to market yourself to get a lot of attention to the point that you get recognized in your country.

Fulfillment is different but that can be said for anything. Same thing for a great relationship, it's an important part of life but won't be enough for fulfillment. 

I dislike these topics because this forum has a stage green shadow. Meaning that there aren't many successful people doing big things here. Let's get more famous if anything, we're already covering fulfillment i.e. self-actualization enough. 

[Hojo]

@Olaf Is there something you could be famous for that a crowed of 100s of people show up and applaud you and you feel love?

Edited Monday at 11:14 PM by Hojo

[integral]

The big issue with Fame is it creates a new level of insulation, You'll only surround yourself with people who don't oppose you and it opens up so many doors to you and many of these doors are Temptations into corruption.

Most people think they're good people, but that's only because they don't have the opportunitys To be corrupt.

The average person would kill someone for a million dollars of all they had to do is press a button.

The lower the friction is and the more detached you are from the consequences the more corrupt you're going to be.

“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Edited yesterday at 12:08 AM by integral

[Eskilon]

35 minutes ago, integral said:

“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

I don't agree with this. Power doesn't corrupt, some people(or most) ARE corrupt. 

Power just gives a opportunity for people to express their real self.

Edited yesterday at 12:42 AM by Eskilon

[Olaf]

@Hojo Maybe if you had 100 friends applauding you, it would feel like something special, but who has 100 friends? And if they aren’t friends, why do you want a stranger to clap for you? It might sound like love, but it’s just a high, like going on a roller coaster. It might give you adrenaline, but it doesn’t give you happiness, and it wears off fast as well.

A stranger will clap for you one moment and throw a tomato at you the next. They don’t know you; it’s only a projection onto you, projecting either good or bad, or whatever lies in between, onto you. If you are a vegetarian, everyone claps. If you turn into a hardcore cannibal, they will throw tomatoes at you. It’s superficial.

[Olaf]

@LordFall Sure, that is why I said to do it for money or purpose. Having attention can still be valuable in business or in terms of purpose. There are also ways to make money without fame, so it isn’t necessarily true that you have to chase fame to make money. Saying it’s phenomenal is dragging it; it’s useful. If you say it’s amazing, that mainly comes from some narcissistic tendency, loving being the center of attention and in the spotlight more than being happy. In my opinion and experience its better to chase purpose or money, if you are gonna chase anything at all. Stage green isn't too bad, too many people are stuck in stage orange or lower. If you want to bring people up, you should bring them up to stage yellow.

[integral]

17 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Power just gives a opportunity for people to express their real self.

People have no idea who their real selves are until they get power.

It is so easy to take advantage of power once you have it, it's easier than doing the right thing, that's why everyone does what serves them instead of the right thing.

Corruption is the path of least resistance.

People are designed to be self-serving it's deeply rooted.

If you can avoid paying a parking ticket, would you? YES basically 100% of the time, if you had the power and you would justtify it easily to why you should not pay it. In reality its people are full of shit, its important to pay it so we all get regulated streets. Now give some one more power and leverage and what do they do? There is no limit.

Freedom corrupts.

Surround a guru with woman and he will find a way to sleep with them.

Edited 9 hours ago by integral

[Olaf]

3 hours ago, integral said:

Surround a guru with woman and he will find a way to sleep with them.

yep, as with Bentinho and probably many more gurus. Giving them that enlightenment sex, for their spiritual growth. Lol

[Eskilon]

5 hours ago, integral said:

People have no idea who their real selves are until they get power.

It is so easy to take advantage of power once you have it, it's easier than doing the right thing, that's why everyone does what serves them instead of the right thing.

Corruption is the path of least resistance.

People are designed to be self-serving it's deeply rooted.

If you can avoid paying a parking ticket, would you? YES basically 100% of the time, if you had the power and you would justtify it easily to why you should not pay it. In reality its people are full of shit, its important to pay it so we all get regulated streets. Now give some one more power and leverage and what do they do? There is no limit.

Freedom corrupts.

Surround a guru with woman and he will find a way to sleep with them.

I think people are just too unconscious though. Like they have no awareness of thoughts, emotions, and so on, they are just in a constant state of hypnosis: Drunk on sex, drunk on power, drunk on money. Basically, machines reacting to primal instincts, there's no space, no consciousness. People just react to Biology. Also, no realization of impermanence, Death, and no self. 

The solution to corruption is wisdom and consciousness.

The guru thing is real, but I think there are still legit gurus who is mega developed, but we probably don't know them and never will. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Eskilon

[hyruga]

It depends on how famous you really are. 

If you are ultra famous like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise, making money would be of less priority. Freedom would be higher priority. But maybe they love to socialize too.