Is taking children to church a form of child abuse?

[Willy Phallicus]

56 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

No one’s saying kids shouldn’t be exposed to things. That’s normal.

Make up your mind then because I said that and you disagreed.  Obviously you have preferences.  I don't give a shit about your preferences.

56 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

The issue is how it’s done.

What issue?  There is no issue because you haven't proven where the actual abuse is nor how, nor why.  Or when it manifests and in what form.  Its just some unsubstantiated opinion you have.  Noted.  On the other hand, you seem to have an issue with the impressionable being taught the ten commandments and to help the less fortunate for some strange reason.

56 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

There’s a difference between showing a child something and telling them this is the truth before they can question it.

There's no choice in the matter.  The child has to develop and you're starting from ground zero.  Again, Santa Claus?  Is telling the three year old that grandma went to heaven going to retard them for life?  Is telling that three year old babies are delivered by storks to mommies and daddies who love each other going to lead to some kind of degenerate, criminal lifestyle?  Kids cant handle certain truths until they are at a certain point in their development.

As untruthful as it is, you probably don't want to tell your 28 month them exactly, in explicit detail, how they were conceived when they ask where they came from.  Eventually the child will grow up and you can adjust the goalposts when necessary - I think its called parenting or something.

Sure, you can royally fuck up a kid mentally and developmentally with religion (if you're already demented) but you don't need religion to do it.  Millions are baptized, communed and confirmed and live whatever passes for a completely normal life just fine.  

If you're raising your kids to be tax paying voters and actualized.org members you think thats any better?

56 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Intent doesn’t really matter here.

Yeah why would it right? Lol

56 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

You can mean well and still shape how a kid sees reality in a way they don’t understand yet.

You mean like how you can empathize with a pedo but they still might go out and groom an innocent child despite your good intentions?  I guess there are no guarantees in life huh?  Life aint fair, there's your first lesson kids.

Since we can't all be born into the world with all the worldly knowledge we need I guess everyone has got to do the best they can.  It depends on the religion we're talking about but you can do much worse with or without it.  Introducing your kid to jesus isn't going to render them wholly incapable of seeking truth later in their lives and it could be a catalyst for it.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Basman]

Setting up kids with standards that are impossible to achieve I would probably count as kind of abuse, but it's a bit strong of a word. Like original sin stuff, etc. I've had a number of Christians admit to me that they felt ashamed of not being Christian enough. It's very common. The issue is you'll probably never be Christian enough. It's a set up for low self-esteem.

Believing in god in of itself I don't think is necessarily a bad thing, but religious communities will condition you with dogmatic thinking and put you in conflict with your individuality.

[Basman]

Taking a kid to church could be a good exercise in dealing with boredom probably. 

[Hatfort]

Sounds like stretching the word abuse too much. Abuse would be to inflict physical or psychological damage on them, like hitting them or insulting them.

Parents raising their children, let's say, in the stage they are in, doesn't need to be harmful per se. You could argue that it's better to raise children in more advanced stages. But what's the solution to that? To steal the children from those in lower stages? That's nonsense, and it goes against very basic freedoms as well. Let everyone be where they are, and run their course. 

Something great the American Constitution brought was the separation between church and state, which doesn't revoke citizens' freedom to follow any religion they believe in, or to be without one.

[Willy Phallicus]

Which is worse? The belief in a god that loves you and an afterlife which ends up being true or the belief that western culture is good and wholesome when its profane and vulgar and usurpatory and overseen by a bunch of decrepit, degenerate tax masters?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Hatfort  The term abuse being applied is why I raised the below. Mainly because many people have a very narrow understanding of the word.

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The only type of abuse this could fall under would be abuse of power. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Epistemic corruption is far more harmful than physical abuse.

Religion corrupts the very truth-seeking mechanism of the mind. This is the highest evil.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[MarkKol]

In a way I believe it can be beneficial to go through spiral stages as faster, like going through blue as a child instead of your 20s and 30s.

It's selling a story more than it's selling God. The Story of of some prophet who once walked the earth and all the things he did.

I find it quite silly. It's Harry potter level fantasy.

I haven't seen many examples where religion made someone smarter, quite the contrary.