Anger is not always wrong

[No1Here2c]

How does one determine whether anger is coming from a mature place or not?

Can anger originate from a vaguely defined area of maturity/immaturity wherein it is not exactly clear the source?

Regardless of origin, there are mature and immature ways to express anger. The line must be tread carefully. Tightrope walking.

Anger is a powerful force that can be directed to some degree given sufficient awareness.

~♤~

Wrath is as expression of God's perfect Chaos!

The Beauty of a Lightning Storm!

Supercell!

Personification of the clouds yes.

 

[integral]

23 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

How does one determine whether anger is coming from a mature place or not?

Can anger originate from a vaguely defined area of maturity/immaturity wherein it is not exactly clear the source?

Regardless of origin, there are mature and immature ways to express anger. The line must be tread carefully. Tightrope walking.

Anger is a powerful force that can be directed to some degree given sufficient awareness.

~♤~

Wrath is as expression of God's perfect Chaos!

The Beauty of a Lightning Storm!

Supercell!

Personification of the clouds yes.

 

if you're angry all the time about unserious things you should have the wisdom to know they're not serious enough to be angry about.

I grew up with a anger management father who had a mental breakdown if a plate was broken.

If simple inconveniences make you angry that's clearly immaturity.

Anger has to be used as a tool to solve a problem, if that's not happening it's directed wrong.

People should be fucking angry about oligarchs. This is using the tool correctly.

But this tool could easily be corrupted, and then you get people deporting immigrants.

To know when to be angry is to have already spent your whole life dedicated to truth, where very few things are going to make you angry to begin with.

Edited Wednesday at 08:39 PM by integral

[No1Here2c]

I recently had an experience where I felt a very powerful momentum during contemplation.

I, admittedly, was utilizing the 'wrong' medium to record my thoughts as they passed through. It was an untrustworthy digital medium.

I was moving very quickly, and in the whiplash of it all it turns out I made a critical error, in an instant I lost all of my recorded progress with which I wanted to utilize in order to go back an integrate my apparent 'contemplation work'

The realization of what i had lost there really triggered something in me. I was quite furious. I cannot tell if this anger was drawn out from a mature location inside or not. It was EXTREME.

What I can tell, is that the way I went about dealing with & expressing my anger, reached far beyond acceptable bounds. 

Now does immature expression inherently imply an immature source? Or just lack of self mastery?

Maybe a lack of internal groundedness or integrated stability?

Emotions are still foreign territory to this guy.

Edited Wednesday at 09:06 PM by No1Here2c

[integral]

3 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

I recently had an experience where I felt very a powerful momentum during contemplation.

I, admittedly, was utilizing the 'wrong' medium to record my thoughts as they passed through. It was an untrustworthy digital medium.

I was moving very quickly, and in the whiplash of it all it turns out I made a critical error, in an instant I lost all of my recorded progress with which I wanted to utilize in order to go back an integrate my apparent 'contemplation work'

The realization of what i had lost there really triggered something in me. I was quite furious. I cannot tell if this anger was drawn out from a mature location inside or not. It was EXTREME.

What is can tell, is that the way I went about dealing with & expressing my anger, reached far beyond acceptable bounds. 

Now does immature expression inherently imply an immature source? Or just lack of self mastery?

Ive definitely been in that situation where I deleted something irreversible or someone else deleted something irreversible which was even worse emotionally.

Anger is a natural response to loss what matters in this case is how long did you hold on to it and do you have a healthy relationship with setbacks?

Normally if I get a huge spike in anger and it happens I fully recover in between 10 to 15 minutes. After that I back to normal and I could see things through a lens of wisdom again.

All of those monks do the same thing, they get angry there's some yelling and then they recover and they come back to wisdom.

Anger management problems is completely different from getting angry occasionally.

[No1Here2c]

Seemed to take at least a day or two to recover back to my baseline sense of emotional stability. I was ready to completely walk away from everything. Very unhealthy reaction. Anger quickly becomes exponential for me and like wildfire begins to cause damage in all realms of my experience.

Notably, Anger especially impacts my sense of 'keeping it together' such that I stop even caring about the damage or destruction my words & behaviors will cause not only to others but to myself down the line. Reason goes flying elsewhere for a long while, I fear that with sufficient anger, the momentum of destruction could get out of hand.

It wreaks havoc internally which is reflected in my external experience.

[integral]

42 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Seemed to take at least a day or two to recover back to my baseline sense of emotional stability. I was ready to completely walk away from everything. Very unhealthy reaction. Anger quickly becomes exponential for me and like wildfire begins to cause damage in all realms of my experience.

Notably, Anger especially impacts my sense of 'keeping it together' such that I stop even caring about the damage or destruction my words & behaviors will cause not only to others but to myself down the line. Reason goes flying elsewhere for a long while, I fear that with sufficient anger, the momentum of destruction could get out of hand.

It wreaks havoc internally which is reflected in my external experience.

If it lasts 2 days then ya i can see why your spiralling.

Got to find a healthy coping mechanism to manage this, have you tried exercise to change your hormones?

Mine doesnt last long enough to need coping, but during the 15 minutes of intense anger i am thinking very deeply and calculating alot of possibilities. Im searching for "the way out", considering many perspectives. Im thinking of "the bigger picture" and placing everything in order of importance.

But i have no idea if this is useful for people who get "stuck" on a emotion, i do no that when people get stuck is because they are rambling in there head very negative thoughts with out forcing themselve to think about higher order things. They will sit in there one bad perspective and often act like a victim and blame everything. In this case they have to force themselse to look at more then one perspective and zoom out.

But i dont know if this works. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:42 PM by integral

[No1Here2c]

34 minutes ago, integral said:

Got to find a healthy coping mechanism to manage this, have you tried exercise to change your hormones?

during the 15 minutes of intense anger i am thinking very deeply and calculating alot of possibilities. Im searching for "the way out", considering many perspectives. Im thinking of "the bigger picture" and placing everything in order of importance.

Exercise is certainly a good expenditure of energy.

I think the latter you describe may actually be a better use of the 'violent upheaval' which anger can cause. Seems like if properly approached & controlled, could lead to contemplative insight. 

Of course the ability to navigate and control anger is in direct relation to one's degree of self mastery. Self mastery is a constant devotion. Like learning any skill. To ride the currents of emotion in productive healthy ways, requires commitment to the craft.

[IslandWild]

When the best person you know is angry, it's probably for a good reason.

[integral]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

Self mastery 

💯 100% responsibility

Edited yesterday at 12:22 AM by integral

[Jodistrict]

Is it possible to be in a state of anger and not suffer?

[Basman]

9 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Is it possible to be in a state of anger and not suffer?

In my experience, if you are suffering and anrgy then your also hurt and probably denying your emotions. 

Anger is just anger. I don't suffer it in of itself.

[gettoefl]

Everyone is angry not just you. What you need is the antidote. Forgiveness. You have to hold in your mind that nobody out here wants to be a murderer. That's how YOU stop being a murderer. 

[Jodistrict]

3 hours ago, Basman said:

In my experience, if you are suffering and anrgy then your also hurt and probably denying your emotions. 

Anger is just anger. I don't suffer it in of itself.

My experience is that if anger arises there is suffering.

[Ulax]

I like that you are talking about the validity of anger. However, its too black-or-white to tell people to stop running from anger or negative emotions in their environment. I'm concerned that could lead to people staying in dangerous or abusive situations.

[No1Here2c]

If we take the term as an umbrella category, anger seems to have various forms each with degrees of intensity.

We have many labels which point to the differing facets of this emotional energy. 

Rage, wrath, exasperation, fury, resentment, begrudgenness, perturbation, ect...ect... to name just a few. All point toward the same ultimate category, though humans have such complex emotion systems that there exist facets to its expression.

Take for example the existence of mild irritation & mild annoyance, which most can easily brush off, all the way to extreme annoyance & wrath, which may lead to destructive and revengeful doings.

Depending upon personal mastery & emotional bandwidth/tolerance, any of these, in any degree, may lead to be the cause of violent words & acts, also of varying expressive intensities. Anger charged aggression is no joke.

There seems a threshold wherein the anger surpasses an individual's ability to effectively control or consciously direct. It goes exponential, as if uncontrolled wildfire. A blazing inferno.

For me, in my direct experience, I find a specific 'event horizon' where awareness becomes so engrossed & identified with the content of the emotional vexation that it quite literally takes 'demonic possession' over me. All sense of control over self seems lost upon the crossing of this 'point of no return'. Reason completely ceases to function or arise within consciousness. 

As one might imagine this is highly problematic for the wellbeing of others and oneself. 

This volatile sort of anger must have served a huge survival purpose & advantage in ancient times, though in modern society has little to no positive effects. Anger, in modern day, is as a returning boomerang, edged with fragmenting razor blades and a detonating tip. 

Watch out. Keep a keen eye. Wouldn't want anger to go exponential. 

As I appreciate the funtion of, & do my best to love my own anger, & the anger of others, I recognize where its intended purpose sits. 

Consciousness is key. Awareness holds the door to understanding.

Edited 16 hours ago by No1Here2c

[PsychedelicEagle]

Ideally you address the issue when it's at the level of annoyance, before it rises to the anger part of the spectrum.

Sometimes it's not possible, and then anger is OK.

But if it happens too often it's a hint the person may be lacking the self-awareness and emotional maturity required to spot it and act upon it already at lower levels of the spectrum.

[Joseph Maynor]

49 minutes ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

Ideally you address the issue when it's at the level of annoyance, before it rises to the anger part of the spectrum.

Sometimes it's not possible, and then anger is OK.

But if it happens too often it's a hint the person may be lacking the self-awareness and emotional maturity required to spot it and act upon it already at lower levels of the spectrum.

But this hinges on how well you know a person.  This seems to be an abstraction.  This is a problem too.  We're generalizing based on Internet relation.

[Basman]

18 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

My experience is that if anger arises there is suffering.

Suffering is resistance to what is. You can feel hurt and angry without suffering from it. You can't control what you feel. 

This notion that anger is a failure of character is hogwash. 

[Joseph Maynor]

@Basman I would argue that suffering is the difference in what is as opposed to what we expect it could be.