Is faith really useless?

[Monster Energy]

 

[gettoefl]

There are 2 things - truth and illusion. Believe illusion see illusion. Believe truth see truth. Faith works. You have to fortunate enough to believe truth. Which isn't easy as all you experience is illusion.

[Joseph Maynor]

A good question is what is faith.  Faith seems to have an element of trust in it that might not be up to the standard of truth.  Maybe or maybe not, but this is a borderline thing that requires discernment or epistemology maybe to settle on.  

[Willy Phallicus]

Who needs faith when we got certainty?

[Carl-Richard]

YouTube videos that have misleading titles are useless.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

YouTube videos that have misleading titles are useless.

Why are the titles so important?  I get that it could mislead.  But titling an artwork is a project in itself.  

[Hojo]

No, it makes you feel good. When you feel good things get better for you. Its actually super useful, probably one of the most useful things you can have. If you have it you are 100 times better off in reality than someone who dosent. Matt Dillahunty is like a 12 year old. I dont know why you think hes smart. 

Who said faith leads to truth?

Ask Dillahunty if he has tried it or is he making a logical conclusion about irrational emotions?

Dillahunty have you ever had absolute faith that God is real? He would say no.

Try it, see what happens.

He would say I cant,

Then how can you make that logical conclusion Dillahunty?

He would refuse to do it. Why?

If He refused he would have to accept the fact that he is trying to make logical conclusions based on irrational emotions, and lying about it, because he wont logically follow up with being in total faith to God. All done unconciously. Then ask him whats unconsciously hiding something?

If Dillahunty admits that having absolute faith that God exists and would make you feel better with 0 effort, but refuses to do it because it might not lead to truth that shows him the devil. Whats doing that? What stopping him from being logical and feel better at the same time?

This would also show him that his logic dictates his emotions. Why? Why cage something that is irrational?

If not beleiving in faith, but having it emotionally, would just make Dillahunty be better, but he wont do it because of logic, argue God is beyond logic. 

The argument for things existing beyond logic are emotions as they can be irrational and often are.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[integral]

" have faith" Said by every con artist who's ever lived.

But if you ever try to accomplish anything you have to have some faith in yourself, there's going to be plenty of things you don't know that you're going to have to learn along the way, if you have no faith you're never going to get started

Edited 15 hours ago by integral

[Hojo]

8 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

A good question is what is faith.  Faith seems to have an element of trust in it that might not be up to the standard of truth.  Maybe or maybe not, but this is a borderline thing that requires discernment or epistemology maybe to settle on.  

Its not logic, you cant talk about it. Its a feeling. We are giving a word to a subjective experience and then asking what the word is using other words. We cant use a word its a state of consciousness. Something you can use.

If you are asking description words of the state, I would say beige, a blowing curtain, a good feeling in your stomach, and being excited about being in Gods dream, smiling and being in awe of God. You know you dont have to think cause God is giving you your highest Good so you can blow like a beige curtain.

Its like asking what happiness is? Its metaphysical and non logical. The logic is the tool to point to the state of conciousness.

You can describe it but you cant logically deduce it cause its like asking what is happiness? Thats completely subjective. We can tell you what its not but we cant tell you what it is beyond description of the feeling because its not real.

The same way you cant logically point to yourself, but you can logically deduce that you are not there. I E you can say everything you arent, but you cant say what you are.

Thats because faith, like beauty is always there permanently you are just saying what isnt faith.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Its not logic, you cant talk about it. Its a feeling. We are giving a word to a subjective experience and then asking what the word is using other words. We cant use a word its a state of consciousness. Something you can use.

If you are asking description words of the state, I would say beige, a blowing curtain, a good feeling in your stomach, and being excited about being in Gods dream, smiling and being in awe of God. You know you dont have to think cause God is giving you your highest Good so you can blow like a beige curtain.

Its like asking what happiness is? Its metaphysical and non logical. The logic is the tool to point to the state of conciousness.

But in this case do you even need faith?  Faith seems to be a trust in a belief.  If it's inside and you trust it, it seems to not be faith but just a belief-less knowing.  

[Hojo]

@Joseph Maynor Just have complete trust that you are in Gods dream right now. Just get the feeling. You dont need logic you have infinite imagination. Why is logic stopping your imagination?

You can just feel it, thats what it is! Why put words around it?

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Jirh]

Sometimes, having faith, even in falsehood, is the only way to stay alive. In those dark moments, nothing anchors you except faith, alone.

[Terell Kirby]

Useless indeed when it comes to truth seeking.

Useful for survival of faith narratives.

Everyone has faith to some degree, we have faith when we go to sleep-we are sure to wake up the next morning.

Yet all faith is based in assumption.