Have empathy for Pedophiles

[Rafael Thundercat]

Lets hve empathy for Russel brand now. I can see that this Forum have a difficult time to actually call corruption by its name. No need to trying to justify the unjustifiable. Let the Infinite Mercy for God. Here on earth there is a need for restitution, healing and justice. 

[Lila9]

I think that the belief that there is no evil, that evil is relative, or that judging people for demonizing and dehumanizing evil, or overempathizing with “evil” people because of their childhood trauma and lack of love, is a Stage Green perspective and an important part of conscious growth, and is valid.

But it is limited because it may over-relativize harmful behavior, struggle with boundaries, or center the perpetrator’s pain as much as (or more than) the victim’s safety.

Maybe a more Tier 2 approach would be, on one hand, not to demonize “evil” people, but also to understand that there is such a thing as evil behavior and the systemic factors that lead people to develop harmful pathologies.

This includes understanding that even people who act evil are still part of the One, of God and unity, who have forgotten this and act from a mentality of separation and unconscious behavior rather than something inherent in the person itself.

And at the same time, recognizing that this behavior is harmful and must be stopped by applying practical solutions like healing, shadow work etc. and by creating systems that reduce such behavior.

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I think that the belief that there is no evil, that evil is relative, or that judging people for demonizing and dehumanizing evil, or overempathizing with “evil” people because of their childhood trauma and lack of love, is a Stage Green perspective and an important part of conscious growth, and is valid.

But it is limited because it may over-relativize harmful behavior, struggle with boundaries, or center the perpetrator’s pain as much as (or more than) the victim’s safety.

Maybe a more Tier 2 approach would be, on one hand, not to demonize “evil” people, but also to understand that there is such a thing as evil behavior and the systemic factors that lead people to develop harmful pathologies.

This includes understanding that even people who act evil are still part of the One, of God and unity, who have forgotten this and act from a mentality of separation and unconscious behavior rather than something inherent in the person itself.

And at the same time, recognizing that this behavior is harmful and must be stopped by applying practical solutions like healing, shadow work etc. and by creating systems that reduce such behavior.

On 4/23/2026 at 6:29 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

 

Yeah, and people tend to come out of prison more damaged than when the went in. Prison removes the immediate danger for society, but doesn't solve the problem in the long run. If the world developed empathy for criminals in general, we would have proper rehab and lasting solutions. A culture that just wants to punish ends up shooting itself in the foot. 

[zazen]

Empathy and sympathy usually get conflated.

If I’m not mistaken - empathy is simply putting yourself in another’s shoes to understand them - the purpose of which in this context is to figure out causes to the heinous act and prevent it.

Sympathy is an extension - feeling for the person only because you’re able to empathise (put yourself in their shoes).

So empathy is about clarity (analytical) and sympathy about warmth (emotional). 
 

Sympathy in this case would only be extended conditionally to those that genuinely suffer against the urge which is there for whatever reason and they had little control over. Like battling an addiction - it’s more of a condition rather than a situational thing as commented on the previous page.

But there is zero sympathy for the act itself or towards those that don’t restraint themselves from this urge, or even those that don’t have an burning urge for it yet still engage in it due to the situation/opportunity arising.

See here - empathy extended into sympathy:

See here - some things are straight up just Haram Bruv:

Because many people conflate empathy with sympathy - the message that gets taken is minimising or normalising of something that shouldn’t be.

Having intellectual clarity of a situation doesn’t mean not having moral clarity on a situation being haram.

You can understand fuckery whilst seeing it as fuckery - not creating false equivalence’s to minimise things or float into some spiritual blob of relativity and oneness.

OP - “And to those of you who think being a pedophile and raping children is the worst thing imaginable, you truly have a low level of consciousness.”

Edited 6 hours ago by zazen

[Jirh]

Have empathy for the low consciousness members.

[Willy Phallicus]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Because many people conflate empathy with sympathy - the message that gets taken is minimising or normalising of something that shouldn’t be.

I'm sure my contributions to this thread could be construed as such but I want to make it clear that's not the case.  Empathy has its uses but you can't save everyone with it and there are indeed things that don't need, want or deserve saving.

Edited 4 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@zazen 🎯 cheers for the input