Have empathy for Pedophiles

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, HopefulMan said:

@Natasha Tori Maru sadly I can attest to this (so can others here). It does incredible damage (maybe irreparable in many cases as I feel it is in mine)

The way you phrased the post is weird because you feel empathy for the pedophile but not for the one judging the pedophile. Weird in the least

I get your point though because they didn't choose their brain nor their life circumstances that led them there

Just because I am putting forth an argument for a topic, does not mean I do not understand the other side of it. I did not state I have no empathy for the one judging the pedophile. I understand this stance also - and I feel and understand greater empathy for those who suffer the acts of pedophiles, and the widespread damage they do to society. I lean on the side of rebuking and feeling disgusted by pedophilia. As I stated at the start of the thread.

Careful what assumptions and inferences you make. This is a purely intellectual debate for me, despite the tragedy of the general existence of pedophiles. And the moral consequences. 

I merely illustrate perspective and want to investigate all sides.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just because I intellectually and cognitively understand and empathise with a pedophile, does not mean I risk my own morals of the matter. It is a detached understanding . Different to affective and feeling empathy - where we feel for another's suffering without the understating.

Real power is mastering the two axis' of empathy, and not getting swept up into moral judgement, but understanding it.

Edited yesterday at 09:48 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Its a super easy convo when you don't look at the bigger picture. This is a two way street - if you have predators then you have victims.

Some of them should try talking to (empathize) those who have been so violated they couldn't give a shit if this planet blew right the hell up into smithereens.  Their opinion of reality is just as valid as any other opinion.  Go ask any of the tens of thousands of adults that have been churned out of one of the many orphan molester towns our little planet has to offer if they give a crap about a pedos desires....or saving humanity.

Definitely. I feel nauseous because of it. Fuck them. My heart is open to abused children and victims of sick predators, but not to the predators' sick desires and weird fetishes. I probably will not be a Buddha in this incarnation, and I am okay with that.

[ZenAlex]

Pedophila is involuntary.

Molesting children is voluntary, and demands no sympathy. It often isn't even that impulsive, it's calculated and methodical grooming. The most unsympathetic crime imaginable. If it's a pre-pubescent child being molested, then the pedo deserves at least 25+ Years at least in a rehab focused prison, with restricted living conditions on release. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

This post below on Instagram is about the ridiculousness of debates about Genocide. I think the text apply to this topic of Pedophiles as well. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXrta8_ltMt/?igsh=MTE2MzV2ZDZ6d3Q5Zw==

Just  in case is hard for ya to do the reframing I did it for you:

Here is the reframed text for each slide:

WHY WE DON'T DEBATE PEDOPHILES
Slide 2
There is a violence in the way child abuse gets dressed up as conversation. A violence in the calm tone, the studio lights, the respectful exchange granted to those who harm the most vulnerable.
Slide 3
As if a child's trauma can be reduced to turns of speech. As if the destruction of innocence can be weighed against rhetoric. As if those fighting to protect children must sit across from those who justify their violation and call it dialogue.
Slide 4
This is how normalization breathes. Through familiarity. Through repetition. Through the quiet suggestion that every position deserves a seat, every ideology a hearing, every crime a counterpoint.
Slide 5
And suddenly, what should stand isolated in disgrace is invited back into the room — cleaned, framed, humanized. A pedophile does not need to win the debate. He only needs to belong in it.
Slide 6
Because the moment child abuse is treated as a perspective, it is no longer confronted as a crime. It becomes something you respond to, not something you dismantle. Something you engage with, not something you end.
Slide 7
While one side refines arguments, the other carries wounds that never heal.
Slide 8
Children were not broken, silenced and scarred for their reality to be reduced to a talking point. They did not endure abuse so that their suffering could be moderated, timed and scored for clarity. There is nothing neutral about granting a predator the dignity of debate.
Slide 9
Truth does not need to share a stage with predation to prove itself. Justice does not require balance with abuse to be seen as legitimate.
Slide 10
There are places where confrontation belongs — where evidence is laid bare, where crimes are named, where power is held to account. A courtroom. A tribunal. A reckoning. But a stage built for "both sides"? That is not confrontation. That is normalization.

Edited yesterday at 01:16 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Rafael Thundercat no one is doing what this transcript suggests.

[HopefulMan]

@Natasha Tori Maru My bad Natasha! Only the first sentence was for you as you commented on the post I made about the sexual abused I suffered. The rest was for the author of the post. 

Sorry about the mixup, didn't write a proper comment

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Its a super easy convo when you don't look at the bigger picture. This is a two way street - if you have predators then you have victims.

Some of them should try talking to (empathize) those who have been so violated they couldn't give a shit if this planet blew right the hell up into smithereens.  Their opinion of reality is just as valid as any other opinion.  Go ask any of the tens of thousands of adults that have been churned out of one of the many orphan molester towns our little planet has to offer if they give a crap about a pedos desires....or saving humanity.

 

6 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Definitely. I feel nauseous because of it. Fuck them. My heart is open to abused children and victims of sick predators, but not to the predators' sick desires and weird fetishes. I probably will not be a Buddha in this incarnation, and I am okay with that.

Consider that many pedophiles became pedophiles because they were abused themselves as children.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, HopefulMan said:

@Natasha Tori Maru My bad Natasha! Only the first sentence was for you as you commented on the post I made about the sexual abused I suffered. The rest was for the author of the post. 

Sorry about the mixup, didn't write a proper comment

Totally cool 😃

I'm so very sorry you suffered that. I have been blessed to never be abused sexually. I can never know the pain it has caused you 🙏🏻 

 

[Willy Phallicus]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Consider that many pedophiles became pedophiles because they were abused themselves as children.

I've acknowledged this at least twice.  Not every pdf deserves to be stripped of their rights.  Some are indeed worthy of help.  I do believe in second chances and I can forgive anyone that is genuinely seeking forgiveness through genuine repentance.  I have no grudges with anyone not even the pdfs - Life just needs all of them off its back - the pdfs as well as delusional pdf empaths.  I don't really care what anyone's problem is whether they are too dumb or too deranged psychotic - if they can't correct their own problems from being to far gone to either understand or care then they got to go, one way or another.  They can evolve or go extinct.  If they can evolve then that's wonderful but I wouldn't lament their extinction either. 

To me this is an individual thing - a case by case basis - because there are real demons out there who could care less about the consequences of their actions.  You can't know whether they deserve empathy or something else until you make a thorough critical analysis of that individuals situation. 

That's not what the OP was about though.  Their empathy was based on how difficult the temptation to destroy someone else' life with rape is to combat for the person desiring to rape.  

But hey, maybe I deserve some empathy because everything Ive typed is the result of my "delusional and sick mind".

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

But hey, maybe I deserve some empathy because everything Ive typed is the result of my "delusional and sick mind"

This sound like a confession 😂 

[enchanted]

When Leo says "evil doesn't exist" on his channel or in an interview we all cheer and praise Leo. When someone suggests it in the forum about certain topics everyone loses their minds. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

35 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

This sound like a confession 😂 

Every statement is a confession....

>.>

<.<

@enchanted

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When Leo says "evil doesn't exist" on his channel or in an interview we all cheer and praise Leo. When someone suggests it in the forum about certain topics everyone loses their minds. 

Yep! People love to give themselves over to authority. It provides certainty. The brain loves certainty as a function of survival. Sad, as Leo constantly reminds us not to take anything he says as truth. Test it and check it for ourselves. Yet, again and again, followers jump to the beat of Leo's drum. 

I think many followers also approval seek with Leo, and are so desperate to feel valid they do not question enough.

Edited 20 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[trenton]

I feel the need to tell you guys that if there were a pedophile in your childhood school, then you probably didn't notice.

I can map out the details if need be, but you can intuit why this is. We were taught to trust adults and report bad behavior by other kids. A common feature in school environments with severe staff abuse is that the environment is chaotic with chronic failures of discipline. The fear of peer abuse takes up such cognitive energy that the child doesn't consider the possibility that a staff member might be a pedophile. Taking this possibility seriously as a child would be terrifying in a school environment. On top of that, the abuse would be structurally hidden through private lessons the child never visited. Surface level abuse like verbal abuse by staff might be normalized while the most severe abuse remains hidden. The surface chaos hides the underlying disturbing reality.

In the case of my school it was later found that one of the staff members was a drug addict which at the time I wouldn't have guessed that. She did have us stand out in the rain as she yelled at us, but much of this behavior was normalized by the school culture. On top of that sexual assault was common among my peers such that it didn't register as a violation severe enough to be acted on in response when it happened to me. I was so busy navigating the school bullies that if there were a pedophile in that environment, I would not have noticed as it would have been covered and quietly hidden from sight.

Although this is a real phenomenon, I'm not sure how we should teach children about how in the event their teacher was responsible for this, they wouldn't notice and instead continue trusting them as if nothing was wrong. At the end of the day, a proactive prevention focused approach is necessary for stopping institutional abuse because the structure is such that individual reporting is extremely unreliable and deeply compromised in many ways. Whistleblowers can't be counted on in this environment.

[Lila9]

2 hours ago, trenton said:

I feel the need to tell you guys that if there were a pedophile in your childhood school, then you probably didn't notice.

I can map out the details if need be, but you can intuit why this is. We were taught to trust adults and report bad behavior by other kids. A common feature in school environments with severe staff abuse is that the environment is chaotic with chronic failures of discipline. The fear of peer abuse takes up such cognitive energy that the child doesn't consider the possibility that a staff member might be a pedophile. Taking this possibility seriously as a child would be terrifying in a school environment. On top of that, the abuse would be structurally hidden through private lessons the child never visited. Surface level abuse like verbal abuse by staff might be normalized while the most severe abuse remains hidden. The surface chaos hides the underlying disturbing reality.

In the case of my school it was later found that one of the staff members was a drug addict which at the time I wouldn't have guessed that. She did have us stand out in the rain as she yelled at us, but much of this behavior was normalized by the school culture. On top of that sexual assault was common among my peers such that it didn't register as a violation severe enough to be acted on in response when it happened to me. I was so busy navigating the school bullies that if there were a pedophile in that environment, I would not have noticed as it would have been covered and quietly hidden from sight.

Although this is a real phenomenon, I'm not sure how we should teach children about how in the event their teacher was responsible for this, they wouldn't notice and instead continue trusting them as if nothing was wrong. At the end of the day, a proactive prevention focused approach is necessary for stopping institutional abuse because the structure is such that individual reporting is extremely unreliable and deeply compromised in many ways. Whistleblowers can't be counted on in this environment.

Yes, unfortunately it is not always easy or possible to detect pedophiles in schools.

Though kids can be really clever and intuitive. I remember that when I was in primary school, I had a sports teacher whom we suspected to be a pedophile because of the way he touched us and hugged us too much, both girls and boys. 

He was a bit weird and did strange things, like giving us a ball to play with and then closing himself in a nearby room, for an unknown reason which we suspected had cameras.

But even if kids are clever enough adults may not take them seriously.

I remember that our suspicions came to the attention of our teachers, and they brushed it off maybe because the sports teacher was their friend and they liked him or because it is too uncomfortable to admit that one of the teachers may be a pedophile, as it can also impact the school’s reputation.

Maybe he wasn't pedophile and it all was our imagination, I don't know. 

Maybe the best thing in those chaotic situations is to teach kids to have boundaries with strangers. I had a friend who taught her kids not to allow anyone, including someone in their family, to touch their body, not even for a kiss or a hug unless they receive permission from the child himself. 

And if someone touches them without their permission, they should report it to their mother or father. This may not resolve the chaotic environment, but at least it gives children some awareness and tools to protect themselves.

[Lila9]

On 4/29/2026 at 8:23 PM, Carl-Richard said:

 

Consider that many pedophiles became pedophiles because they were abused themselves as children.

I see.

[Willy Phallicus]

18 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

This sound like a confession 😂 

It's a tongue in cheek nod to the hypocrisy of claiming truth is the most important thing there is while being completely ignorant of it.

But I wouldn't accuse anyone here of being able to tell the difference.

[Rafael Thundercat]

18 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think many followers also approval seek with Leo, and are so desperate to feel valid they do not question enough

I am not looking for approval of Leo at all. I even would love to be more frontal but here in the Forum I would probably be called out, banned or his bootlicker minions would jump in protection. 

[Willy Phallicus]

19 hours ago, enchanted said:

When Leo says "evil doesn't exist" on his channel or in an interview we all cheer and praise Leo.

Who cares?  It's not like he was the first person to figure it out.  The guy obviously believes in right from wrong and doesn't try to refrain from expressing it.  On the surface he operates like he doesn't believe what he's saying so who cares what he says?  Or perhaps there is a good reason for that.

Maybe its because only the individual can go beyond good and evil.  Never can the group, the collective, the organization, the society, civilization or the forum ever reach this point.  So its kind of a moot point on your part.

19 hours ago, enchanted said:

When someone suggests it in the forum about certain topics everyone loses their minds. 

Just because evil doesn't exist when nobody exists doesn't mean we can't acknowledge what the potential dangers are when everyone and everything exists.  Y'know, like when you got people defending equal treatment of sex offenders in the context of a thread started by a guy who says violating kids is all so very intoxicating we almost have to forgive them for it...and anyone who thinks otherwise is just too dumb to see it.