Good News, Orban looses power

[eliasvelez]

It seems that the opposition party in hungary is going to get a 2/3 majority !

 

congrats to the people of hungary <3🇪🇺

Edited 17 hours ago by eliasvelez

[Lyubov]

Oh thank fucking god 

[UnbornTao]

Good news, everyone!

[Lyubov]

Hopefully we can learn from Hungary on how to recover from these hybrid wannabe dictator regimes. The word is watching Hungary and their next move. 

[Hardkill]

I am very pleasantly surprised by this. 

Orban and his party indeed lost by a true landslide, which is really great news!

I am also glad he ultimately conceded to Magyar and his party too.

I wonder why or how come Orban and his party couldn't rig the elections to stay in power somehow.

I hope their country's current devil and his movement are down for good and that the more centrist party stays in power for a long-time.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

But will he still hold office?

Will he even step down?

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

But will he still hold office?

Will he even step down?

He conceded 

[Hardkill]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But will he still hold office?

Will he even step down?

I wonder why he didn't try like Trump did in 2020 and Jan 6, 2021 by constantly propagating that the election was "totally stolen and rigged from us," especially when he and his party have much more control over the entire country's messaging/media environment than Trump and the GOP do with our country's messaging/media environment.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

wonder why he didn't try like Trump did in 2020 and Jan 6, 2021 by constantly propagating that the election was "totally stolen and rigged from us,

I'm quite surprised he didn't.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

I wonder why he didn't try like Trump did in 2020 and Jan 6, 2021 by constantly propagating that the election was "totally stolen and rigged from us," especially when he and his party have much more control over the entire country's messaging/media environment than Trump and the GOP do with our country's messaging/media environment.

European countries aren't divided quite like the u.s., shoot, everyone in Hungary is probably related.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Spelling, its 'loses', not looses.

I'm not too excited about Orban's loss. Of course he's deeply problematic, but he's being replaced by a technocratic center-right conservative. Not much of an improvement. 

Why tf is Hungary so damn Conservative?

Edited 11 hours ago by Husseinisdoingfine

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I wonder why he didn't try like Trump did in 2020 and Jan 6, 2021 by constantly propagating that the election was "totally stolen and rigged from us," especially when he and his party have much more control over the entire country's messaging/media environment than Trump and the GOP do with our country's messaging/media environment.

Because he didnt lose just by a little, he lost by a lot and there if you try to do the "it was stolen" move - with that move you also undermine and render   all of your previous 4 landslides  (from 2010 - 2022) potentially illegitimate, because the implication is that even when the numbers says that a party won with a landslide (with a supermajority where you have so much power)  even in those cases it can be rigged at a relevant enough scale.

With a supermajority you can do stuff like:

• Amend or adopt a new Constitution (called the Fundamental Law in Hungary)
• Pass or modify cardinal laws (laws that require a two-thirds majority), such as:
  • the electoral system
  • rules of the judiciary
• Appoint key officials, for example:
  • members of the Constitutional Court
  • the Prosecutor General
  • heads of media authorities
• Make major changes to how the state and its institutions function

 

And now given all of that,  imagine that you would need to somehow tell a story that even though you had supermajority for 16 years and you had the power to make elections more safe, you still left elections structurally vulnerable enough  so that they can be rigged at this scale.

 

Its also not a good move for other reasons, because there is evidence that fidesz did buy votes (and we are talking about handing out money to some voters in some cases,  in other cases handing out bags with food and other stuff, in other cases just literally buying shots and alcohol to some people) and if you try to do big investigations now, you are going to expose your own corrupt bs - these kinds of moves worked well against mostly uneducated and really poor people in places, where usually less than 2k but in other  cases less than 1k people live. And because even small towns and villages can play an important role (due to how mandates are allocated), they can sometimes determine whether a party achieves a supermajority or falls short of it.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by zurew

[fabger]

I'm Hungarian and I helped Orbán fuck off❤️