Deconstructing Rationality - Part 3 - New Video

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

The wild thing is that the people in my first-person experience could tell me stuff that could happen to me, even though I only have my experience. This is crazy!

That's how powerful Infinite Imagination is.

It's Total.

You imagine the entire Earth.

[BojackHorseman]

Ok I'm at the beginning of the video basically so it might be stupid to ask, but when you say that science dismisses some spiritual experiences or whatnot. I don't think it does? Isn't it because science has previously tested reality and noticed some things worked and some other didn't, that they ended up dismissing them? They say something is not real because they found no proof? 
Of course they might not have dig deep enough or with the right tool. 
But I don't think science would refuse testing something, isn't it the nature of it in a way?
But thing is, since you cannot test everything, you have to put stops at some point.

If someone told me to do something that would take years to test, and I was not sure if it would work, I would probably keep on digging the places I know already, because I can't waste time testing a million random theories knowing that 99%, or maybe even 100, would lead nowhere. It's good to keep an open mind but you can't believe everything. But obviously, it's hard to know which good ones you'd miss being stuck in a certain paradox.

Sorry for my writing, not a native english speaker and I'm quite tired.

Edited 6 hours ago by BojackHorseman

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, BojackHorseman said:

Isn't it because science has previously tested reality and noticed some things worked and some other didn't,

The point is, there are many aspects of Reality which do not submit to such simplistic methods of testing and analysis. The methodology is the problem.

[Nemra]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's how powerful Infinite Imagination is.

It's Total.

You imagine the entire Earth.

I've been entertaining the thought that history started from my birth. All I have ever known about anything couldn't have happened before my birth because I wasn't experiencing all this stuff.

But at the same time, I think, why would reality be limited to only my experience? What is special about it?

Is the imagination so powerful that I can imagine that there is a private life happening to others while my experience has been the only human experience?

Edited 6 hours ago by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Is the imagination so powerful that I can imagine that there's a private life happening to others and that my experience was the only human experience that has ever been?

That's what a dream is.

Your imagination is Absolute. That's what it means to be God.

[Nemra]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's what a dream is.

Your imagination is Absolute. That's what it means to be God.

Gosh.

In my nightly dreams, my waking life doesn't exist. My nightly dreams have only been the only one there is with it's own rules. And it doesn't make sense to say my waking life is more real than my nightly dreams, even though it feels more real.

[ZeldaStar]

Hypothetically, since we are all equal imaginations with the same access to Consciousness, could we prove this is true by gathering as a group, find one person who would be willing to go to the deep end of the consciousness experience with these understandings in mind, merge completely with God, apply some changes to reality from God mode, and then come back?

[Eskilon]

25 minutes ago, Nemra said:

In my nightly dreams, my waking life doesn't exist. My nightly dreams have only been the only one there is with it's own rules. And it doesn't make sense to say my waking life is more real than my nightly dreams, even though it feels more real.

I think people say it's more real because it last for a lot of time and there's coherence and stability to it.

[Terell Kirby]

Great episode.

Holding a rationalist worldview requires a divided mind, this is antithetical to the holism needed to realize God.

Leo is doing a service to rationalists everywhere by helping them reach their highest spiritual potential. This is mission impossible in my eyes, but great to see someone give it a shot.

Keep up the great work @Leo Gura

Edited 4 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I think people say it's more real because it last for a lot of time and there's coherence and stability to it.

If you remembered everything from your dreams, wouldn't your dreams last long?

Once, I slept and woke up immediately, without dreaming. It felt very strange.

Edited 4 hours ago by Nemra

[Eskilon]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

If you remembered everything from your dreams, wouldn't your dreams last long?

Not really.

It's actually strange because the concept of time doesnt exist in dreams. It is neither long nor short, it just happens.

[RisingLane]

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, ZeldaStar said:

could we prove this is true by gathering as a group, find one person who would be willing to go to the deep end of the consciousness experience with these understandings in mind, merge completely with God, apply some changes to reality from God mode, and then come back?

You can certainly imagine it

[ZeldaStar]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can certainly imagine it

In your psychedelic experiences, have you been able to experience God level creator consciousness? Basically, I am wondering if you could somehow modify something beyond your mind (what is being perceived in a "sober" state) during your psychedelic experience, and then have that change remain after you come back? Or do you believe such levels would require a sacrifice of the self?  

Edited 4 hours ago by ZeldaStar

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, ZeldaStar said:

Basically, I am wondering if you could somehow modify something beyond your mind (what is being perceived in a "sober" state) during your psychedelic experience, and then have that change remain after you come back?

I have not been able to do that.

The ego has almost no control over the Cosmic Imagination. Ego wants that control but good luck getting it.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ZeldaStar]

Thanks Leo! Your content is extremely insightful.  

I was also contemplating this to myself previously. I believe the ego is selfish, and God is Selfless. So the ego cannot control God while it's operating from a selfish perspective.   

Unrelated to this video, I had a question for you. I watched your 30 Awakenings in 30 Days video. You mentioned you were getting pulled into the infinite dimensions of Love. And you were conscious that if you go there, you would take everyone else with you. Yet you also wanted say goodbye to your parents before you leave. 

Which one do you believe is True now? Would your parents continue existing in a separate dimension of infinity without you, or would you have awakenen completely and taken everyone else with you? 

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, ZeldaStar said:

Which one do you believe is True now? Would your parents continue existing in a separate dimension of infinity without you, or would you have awakenen completely and taken everyone else with you? 

It's very tricky. At that level of consciousness you are the only thing that exists, but you are also all things.

It feels very solipsistic in a terrifying way. That's the best way I can convey it, by how it feels.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Terell Kirby said:

Keep up the great work

Thanks!

[Osaid]

Modification, control, change, etc. It's like the language of the ego. You would want God to be that, only because you think you are separate from God. For something that isn't separate, all those things are meaningless and useless.

Reality would never control, change, or modify reality. That would require it to be separate from itself. Something separate from reality isn't reality. Simple as.

Control is "imagination", so there is no control over imagination, either. The desire to separate is strong, but God says "nope, you're included". 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

Thanks for the video Leo. 

I have a couple questions.

The first one is more basic: What do you mean by rationality?

Since advanced states of God-consciousness or alien consciousness are still rational, it obviously refers to something different than the normal sense of the word. I understand it as using your mind well- is that in the right ballpark?

 

 

Edited 9 minutes ago by AtmanIsBrahman