Deconstructing Rationality - Part 3 - New Video

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

What do you mean by rationality?

Thinking has a kind of logic to it. It coheres, it makes sense. Mystical insight also has logic to it, it is just more three dimensional and weird than normal reasoning.

Edited yesterday at 04:46 AM by Leo Gura

[AtmanIsBrahman]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Thinking has a kind of logic to it. It coheres, it makes sense. Mystical insight also has logic to it, it is just more three dimensional and weird than normal reasoning.

Okay, that's kind of what I thought. 

Speaking of which, you mentioned that combining rationality with mysticism is especially powerful. Do you consider them most powerful for building a worldview (if you can call it that) or for contemplating while in a high state of consciousness? Because most mystics would say that thinking is irrelevant and you have to just experience.
And how does post-rationality/high stages of ego development/jailbreaking the mind play into this?

[Nemra]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's very tricky. At that level of consciousness you are the only thing that exists, but you are also all things.

It feels very solipsistic in a terrifying way. That's the best way I can convey it, by how it feels.

It's like mirrors facing each other.

Infinite mirrors. Infinite reflection.

[Uddi]

@Leo Gura logic, reasoning, and rationality are processors but not sensors. They cannot sense truth as they cannot prove the system they are being used from to be valid. If academia took Godel seriously, they would be mystics by now. There are 3 different levels of knowing: Intellectual, Visceral, and Existential.

Intellectual Knowing - Functions like a virtual machine (VM). It cannot verify if its own foundations and axioms are correct. Useful for science and engineering but is the ultimate barrier to god realization. The intellect is hard locked from direct experience, visceral feelings, and existential realizations as it relies on axioms to function.

 

Visceral Knowing - Consists of mystical experience typical religious people report but are also gut feelings. It is usually more accurate than the intellect because it is directly perceiving something even if limited whereas the intellect is a simulator but doesn't feel anything. However this type of knowing can be affected by belief systems, trauma, cultural systems, the social matrix, and more.

 

Existential Knowing - This kind of knowing can be the result of extreme meditations, strong trips, kundalini awakenings, near death experiences and more. This type of knowing is epistemically irreversible as it has fundamentally changed your entire hardware whereas the 2 lower levels are mainly software although visceral knowing can sometimes be in between. This is what direct consciousness is. It is when you know god at the existential level and have directly realized him.

 

What do you think? Also extra request: Please add dark mode to the forums and add an option that uses device appearance.

[LoneWonderer]

Hi Leo, thank you for your series. I am about half way through this last episode. This series has helped me realized something very important about my psychology which is as follows:

I'm in the pre-rational stage of development because I don't question deeply perspectives and just go with gut feeling. Also I just don't contemplate deeply anything I learn really.

At the same time thanks to putting myself through world class education my entire life, in and outside of academic setting I have a good "gut feeling" when a perspective is correct and where it falls apart. Also I have a very solid epistemic foundation, but this is different from rationality put in practice.

I believe I am advanced in my understanding in some ways and areas and completely not in others.

Can such a thing be possible? Your series has made me realise I have to "stop, and think it through" with any content I consume and not just go with my gut feeling only.

*It's funny because I can understand everything that was said in this series and in a way be operating from this level by default but have skipped the previous developmental stage which is rationality entirely! There is a big difference beetween understanding and knowing all these advanced concepts and ideas of Actualized.org and using your mind properly. They are two different things.

As an example let's take Bryan Johnson. According to the latest science everything or most of what Bryan does is correct for longevity. I have spent years researching longevity and what Bryan does in his life is just what the experts say and in line with what I've spent years learning in this space. So before I would've just left it at that, ok, thank you sir you're doing a great job and helping lots of people. Now you got me thinking when looking at Bryan: 

What is science? Is science even real? Is taking a gene therapy safe? How do I know? Have I done the experiment? On and on and on...I mean yeah the gist of it is yes, he's probably doing the right stuff for the most part, but it's not a question of blindly believing Bryan or the science behind it, but of questioning the things he does independently for myself. Something along those lines anyways....

Edited 6 hours ago by LoneWonderer